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    I've got the same confusion - the friends I know who are familiar with MBTI put me quite easily in the category of introvert, and they are introverts themselves. My family does the same, even though they're not really familiar with the theory, and I assume remember quite vividly my teenage years, when I was very daydreamy and off with the fairies!

    When I asked my INTP friend about it, she did admit that "I didn't seem to get tired of people", and she didn't know I interacted with other friends, so she couldn't really say.

    But yeah, it definitely doesn't help with the whole categorisation thing.

    Xander, I don't think all ENFPs love people, per se, but I think to a certain extent we can't help but be fascinated and drawn to them. It definitely depends on the people around you, and I certainly can't speak for every ENFP (especially since I'm not entirely sure I'm completely one myself! ) but I would think that an ENFP shunning all human contact is not a natural reaction, and possibly due to mentioned past event?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Xander View Post
    Do ALL ENFPs love people?
    Actually I don't love people, I just love the interaction situations with people.

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    Quote Originally Posted by arcticangel02 View Post
    Xander, I don't think all ENFPs love people, per se, but I think to a certain extent we can't help but be fascinated and drawn to them. It definitely depends on the people around you, and I certainly can't speak for every ENFP (especially since I'm not entirely sure I'm completely one myself! ) but I would think that an ENFP shunning all human contact is not a natural reaction, and possibly due to mentioned past event?
    It's possible. It's just I see no evidence of people. He's got the usual ENFP computer with stacks of photos of everything from the person he went there with (wherever there is) to a twig which happened to be there. He's got the ENFP music collection (ie one with absolutely no focus or restriction). There is however little evidence of friends having influence.

    Now I wouldn't think that this was particularly odd in an ENFP as you guys are such "individuals" (read eccentric strange cat ladies and odd bushy haired blokes). However for there to be such a bare shelf where past group things should rest (speaking figuratively) in combination with such fascination with dry subjects like programming (one of the few subjects which will get him chatting) makes me wonder if all the impression of an ENFP is slightly polarised.

    I questioned my father on what he thought to an ENFP who wasn't interested in people and an ENFP who was "negative feedback"... his answer to both pretty much said that such an ENFP must be wounded somehow.

    It is odd though. A wounded ENFP seems like an INTP to me. A cheerful one ( ) but an INTP all the same.
    Quote Originally Posted by Alcea Rosea View Post
    Actually I don't love people, I just love the interaction situations with people.
    That's like a dog saying that it's not that they love food, they just love the taste
    Isn't it time for a colourful metaphor?

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    Humans are the most fascinating thing to play with, they have their own thoughts and everything, you push button A and don't always get the same result!

    As for withdrawn ENFPs.. one of the most amazingly odd suggestion was that ENFPs draw energy from social interaction. I find that that (in my case) is total tosh, sure I can go longer than an INTP before i want to cahse all these wierd other people out of my life, and sure it may only need be for a few hours and stuff, but I find I can cope with being alone in the house for longer than Gen can.

    Xander is the enfp in question the one about to become a dad again? The one thing that makes me unsure of that designation for him is his ability to complete projects....

    As for enfps being people people, I do love being sociable, but hell I can get grumpy with it too, and contary to popular opinion, I do not have a huge soical ciricle and am usless at keeping up with the important ones.

    I don't think an enfp who is a bit more stand offish with people is neccesairly damaged goods. If I allowed the NFP paranoia to swamp my brain I'd withdraw loads too, to try to avoid being hurt, mind you I suppose one could argue that I AM damaged goods lol. The negative feedback is odd but also understandable. While a lack of positve feedback results in a withering ego in me, too much gets rejected too. Also while I love positive feedback I do not listen to it as much as negative when I approach my work atleast.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Xander View Post
    That's like a dog saying that it's not that they love food, they just love the taste
    Yes but it is still a distinction! lol

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dom View Post
    As for withdrawn ENFPs.. one of the most amazingly odd suggestion was that ENFPs draw energy from social interaction. I find that that (in my case) is total tosh, sure I can go longer than an INTP before i want to cahse all these wierd other people out of my life, and sure it may only need be for a few hours and stuff, but I find I can cope with being alone in the house for longer than Gen can.
    Human interaction more than social. ENFPs don't like crowds.
    Quote Originally Posted by Dom View Post
    Xander is the enfp in question the one about to become a dad again? The one thing that makes me unsure of that designation for him is his ability to complete projects....
    What projects? And no but thanks I now realise I have 3 fuc... errm ENFPs in my life.


    Isn't it time for a colourful metaphor?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Xander View Post
    Human interaction more than social. ENFPs don't like crowds.

    What projects? And no but thanks I now realise I have 3 fuc... errm ENFPs in my life.


    ah.. the little dom in cov??

    Well i'm not sure it's really sunk in that I'm going to have a fuc.... INTP wife soon!!!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Xander View Post
    It's possible. It's just I see no evidence of people. He's got the usual ENFP computer with stacks of photos of everything from the person he went there with (wherever there is) to a twig which happened to be there. He's got the ENFP music collection (ie one with absolutely no focus or restriction). There is however little evidence of friends having influence.

    Now I wouldn't think that this was particularly odd in an ENFP as you guys are such "individuals" (read eccentric strange cat ladies and odd bushy haired blokes). However for there to be such a bare shelf where past group things should rest (speaking figuratively) in combination with such fascination with dry subjects like programming (one of the few subjects which will get him chatting) makes me wonder if all the impression of an ENFP is slightly polarised.

    I questioned my father on what he thought to an ENFP who wasn't interested in people and an ENFP who was "negative feedback"... his answer to both pretty much said that such an ENFP must be wounded somehow.

    It is odd though. A wounded ENFP seems like an INTP to me. A cheerful one ( ) but an INTP all the same.
    Eccentric cat ladies!

    Well, seeing as both extraversion and feeling have a tendancy to be slightly more people-oriented functions, it makes perfect sense that an EF that doesn't like people would come off slightly more like an IT than typical.

    And there is also the difference affected by gender, as we all know females are, to a certain extent, permitted to be much more mushy and in day to day life than males.

    And if you look at the cognitive functions - ENFPs are NeFi... Ne is all about ideas, trains of thought, etc, so not nessecarily to do with people (although people are certainly a very interesting way to bounce your thoughts off). And Fi is all about internal values... again, feasibly requiring little influence from people to operate comfortable.

    Anyway, I think the point I'm trying to say, is that although people may feasibly not be necessarily be the main focus of an ENFP (and merely a trifling amusement, for example), I think for an ENFP to have no interest in people whatsoever is beyond what I would consider a normal derivation from the norm...

    I suppose, when it comes down to it, a fair bit of the I give out is 'staged', so to speak. It's done for the benefit of the people around me, rather than strictly for myself (although it makes them happy and like me more so it ends up being a benefit for myself, but ANYWAY) so an ENFP without other people to impress may be a whole lot more subdued and sensible than normally expected.

    I just wonder how an ENFP might feel no desire to interact with people.

    Quote Originally Posted by Dom View Post
    As for withdrawn ENFPs.. one of the most amazingly odd suggestion was that ENFPs draw energy from social interaction. I find that that (in my case) is total tosh, sure I can go longer than an INTP before i want to cahse all these wierd other people out of my life, and sure it may only need be for a few hours and stuff, but I find I can cope with being alone in the house for longer than Gen can.
    I'd say we can get energy from social interaction, so long as it's the right sort (SP interaction is rarely involving for me, somehow), we don't necessarily rely on it, like other extraverted types might. I, too, have no problem at all with being alone in my room for quite some time, without any people around. But then I find I have to distract myself with music and something else to do. Without people around I get bored very quickly.

    Quote Originally Posted by Dom View Post
    I don't think an enfp who is a bit more stand offish with people is neccesairly damaged goods. If I allowed the NFP paranoia to swamp my brain I'd withdraw loads too, to try to avoid being hurt, mind you I suppose one could argue that I AM damaged goods lol. The negative feedback is odd but also understandable. While a lack of positve feedback results in a withering ego in me, too much gets rejected too. Also while I love positive feedback I do not listen to it as much as negative when I approach my work atleast.
    I agree, so it really depends on how 'nonsocial' this ENFP fellow is - just slightly standoffish? Absolutely normal. Completely asocial? Not so...
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    Judging (5%) ---- Perceiving (95%)

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    Quote Originally Posted by arcticangel02 View Post
    Eccentric cat ladies!

    Well, seeing as both extraversion and feeling have a tendancy to be slightly more people-oriented functions, it makes perfect sense that an EF that doesn't like people would come off slightly more like an IT than typical.

    And there is also the difference affected by gender, as we all know females are, to a certain extent, permitted to be much more mushy and in day to day life than males.

    And if you look at the cognitive functions - ENFPs are NeFi... Ne is all about ideas, trains of thought, etc, so not nessecarily to do with people (although people are certainly a very interesting way to bounce your thoughts off). And Fi is all about internal values... again, feasibly requiring little influence from people to operate comfortable.

    Anyway, I think the point I'm trying to say, is that although people may feasibly not be necessarily be the main focus of an ENFP (and merely a trifling amusement, for example), I think for an ENFP to have no interest in people whatsoever is beyond what I would consider a normal derivation from the norm...

    I suppose, when it comes down to it, a fair bit of the I give out is 'staged', so to speak. It's done for the benefit of the people around me, rather than strictly for myself (although it makes them happy and like me more so it ends up being a benefit for myself, but ANYWAY) so an ENFP without other people to impress may be a whole lot more subdued and sensible than normally expected.

    I just wonder how an ENFP might feel no desire to interact with people.



    I'd say we can get energy from social interaction, so long as it's the right sort (SP interaction is rarely involving for me, somehow), we don't necessarily rely on it, like other extraverted types might. I, too, have no problem at all with being alone in my room for quite some time, without any people around. But then I find I have to distract myself with music and something else to do. Without people around I get bored very quickly.



    I agree, so it really depends on how 'nonsocial' this ENFP fellow is - just slightly standoffish? Absolutely normal. Completely asocial? Not so...
    Another explanation is that this potential indifference to people in an ENFP is really a mirror, and it's feigned either conciously or subconciously...

    I can see how an enfp would do this as a defense mechanism... I personally couldn't imagine being able to pull it off (unless it was subconcous)....

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    Quote Originally Posted by Xander View Post
    As for examples, an INFP I know blew up once when I was in the vicinity. He basically pointed out all the other persons flaws while exiting the building (presumably the usual introvert hating to make such a show of themselves). He was loud and looked like he was about to actually explode.

    Now the ENFP I know quite well, and have annoyed on many many wonderous occasions ( ), will usually blow up pointing out the specific flaws in my arguements or other wise attacking whatever I am founding my arguments on. He is less prone to directly attacking me and also has little problem staying in the room whilst annoyed.

    Out of the two, the extrovert forgives quicker. The INFP bears grudges.

    I guess the other evidence is produced by stress. The INFP has shown me several of his rough drafts for a piece of writing, asking for input. When I criticise he get's in the mind set of "well f' you buddy!!" quite quickly.. or at least he used to.

    Now the ENFP, when he was stressed and came over looking for advice and someone to talk to I could have told him the seven steps to nirvanna and a million pounds and he'd have come up with some reason why it wouldn't work, or just flat out deny it.

    Stressed ENFP = No it isn't.
    Stressed INFP = I'm going to force it.
    I'd reckon the main difference between ENFP and INFP would be the latent ESTJ in an INFP as opposed to the ENFP's ISTJ.

    INFPs when angered become very sergeant major ish and tend to go on the attack where as an angered ENFP defends primarily.
    Introverts, from the original temperament observations have a longer response delay. So they build up anger more slowly then the extroverts, but then they will explode, sometimes violently. The "butler who did it" could have been a INFP who served his master faithfully, felt used, and then reacted in a murderous rage. The directing introverts will tend to hold grudges longer, but an informing introvert such as the INFP will hold them too if the issue is not resolved.

    The informing extrovert is so people-oriented, they will want to get over conflict faster.

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