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    Quote Originally Posted by Mal+ View Post
    Complexity is an INFJ trait. However, you did say you were a "witch" in a post a few pages back.

    What am I dealing with here? A complex person suffering from self over-analysis, who lets the truth out (Truth is the goal here) and then denies it. And who is apparently chasing an ideal (as an Idealist should) that is a different type.

    But if you read about Keirsey's Idealist type, you will find that is a trait of the Idealist. Not to pursue another type per se, but an ideal which, if attained, is no longer an ideal because it has been attained, when the asymptote has reached its goal at infinity.
    I don't understand, but interesting. It's still an ideal. It's just as a thing to strive for, a principle. Like if I value honesty in relationships, the ideal would be to be perfectly honest all the time. But that is unattainable and not reasonable or realistic. So as a principle, we change the goal to the best possible situation, which is the highest level of honesty which is appropriate and works in our particular circumstances, and just use honesty as a guiding principle.
    When did I deny the truth? I think we were just talking about different things.

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    Quote Originally Posted by greenfairy View Post
    Sure, I could agree with that.
    Many of the ideas you complained about as being too general are INTP or Ti ideas. SimulatedWorld is an ENTP which is Ti-aux. And yet you prefer to see yourself as an INTP or Ti.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Mal+ View Post
    None of that is relevant. To avoid becoming swamped in data you're looking at just one area. The Truth is your ideal which, once attained, is no longer an ideal. So find a way to declare that it's not the Truth. Sticking to your guns is an INFJ trait because you trust your intuitions more than anything. But intuitions are not a guide to Truth, at least not objectively.
    I'm just looking at all areas in which to apply the principles of the MBTI system, and looking at how they fit with my own life and apply to others. If I have a number of situations in which I fit one type or temperament more than another, they stack up and look like a collective amount of evidence. That's what I'm aiming for. I want to explore every application and get a picture of all the evidence.

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    Quote Originally Posted by greenfairy View Post
    I don't understand, but interesting.
    From "Please Understand Me II" p 144: "The seeking impedes the finding; the search for identity is its own obstacle. Some Idealists no doubt reach Siddhartha's perspective and find their true Self, which means that they finally give up struggling to become some perfected idea of themselves, and simply accept themselves as they are, somewhat short of ideal. But for many NFs, the search for identity only winds them more deeply in the complexities of inner division and self-contradiction: the more they seek their ideal Self, the more frustrated they are in their search."


    Quote Originally Posted by greenfairy View Post
    It's still an ideal. It's just as a thing to strive for, a principle. Like if I value honesty in relationships, the ideal would be to be perfectly honest all the time. But that is unattainable and not reasonable or realistic. So as a principle, we change the goal to the best possible situation, which is the highest level of honesty which is appropriate and works in our particular circumstances, and just use honesty as a guiding principle.
    When did I deny the truth? I think we were just talking about different things.
    The truth is implied in all my evidence pointing to NF which you constantly downgrade to some secondary status. The truth is in the P/J comparisons from which you mostly chose J, not P. An INTP will choose the P over the J traits.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Mal+ View Post
    Many of the ideas you complained about as being too general are INTP or Ti ideas. SimulatedWorld is an ENTP which is Ti-aux. And yet you prefer to see yourself as an INTP or Ti.
    I mean they are too general to really give a comprehensive picture of reality without application, and you can't apply them to every individual without potentially offending or confusing someone. That's all. They are most of what we have and most of how my thought process operates. I just have to apply them to specific situations and people in order to understand the fine distinctions. Like beginning with the fact that F emphasizes values and T emphasizes logic, I would look at values and logic for both types and see how they each look at the same thing.

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    Quote Originally Posted by greenfairy View Post
    I'm just looking at all areas in which to apply the principles of the MBTI system, and looking at how they fit with my own life and apply to others. If I have a number of situations in which I fit one type or temperament more than another, they stack up and look like a collective amount of evidence. That's what I'm aiming for. I want to explore every application and get a picture of all the evidence.
    While that may be true, all I see you doing is sticking to your guns despite the evidence.
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    Quote Originally Posted by greenfairy View Post
    I mean they are too general to really give a comprehensive picture of reality without application, and you can't apply them to every individual without potentially offending or confusing someone. That's all. They are most of what we have and most of how my thought process operates. I just have to apply them to specific situations and people in order to understand the fine distinctions. Like beginning with the fact that F emphasizes values and T emphasizes logic, I would look at values and logic for both types and see how they each look at the same thing.
    And J emphasizes orderliness, schedules, and promptness; while P emphasizes chaos, randomness, and procrastination.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Mal+ View Post
    From "Please Understand Me II" p 144: "The seeking impedes the finding; the search for identity is its own obstacle. Some Idealists no doubt reach Siddhartha's perspective and find their true Self, which means that they finally give up struggling to become some perfected idea of themselves, and simply accept themselves as they are, somewhat short of ideal. But for many NFs, the search for identity only winds them more deeply in the complexities of inner division and self-contradiction: the more they seek their ideal Self, the more frustrated they are in their search."
    Are we talking about value judgments here? Because I already think I am a good enough person. That's not the problem. I mean trying to identify what kind of a person I am and put myself into categories for the purposes of analysis and application of systems.


    Quote Originally Posted by Mal+ View Post
    The truth is implied in all my evidence pointing to NF which you constantly downgrade to some secondary status. The truth is in the P/J comparisons from which you mostly chose J, not P. An INTP will choose the P over the J traits.
    Well I can't deny that from what I've said on here it may look that way. But I know the way my mind works, and all the situations in my life in which I've applied these concepts, and all the areas in which I have analyzed the difference between INTP and INFP, and the evidence clearly stacks up in favor of NT. I don't expect I can communicate all this online as it would be impossible. I'm just trying my best. The same goes for J-P, and I would say it would be between INTP and INTJ making me more INTX.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mal+ View Post
    While that may be true, all I see you doing is sticking to your guns despite the evidence.
    I appreciate you showing me the evidence from your perspective. I'm just evaluating it from mine and presenting the arguments I have used in typing myself. If there's something critical I've missed I want to know about it, but I highly doubt it at this point. You never know though.

    You are persuading me more toward the J side, making me think I'm more INTX than INXP. I just don't think I'm a feeler. Or I feel like I'm a thinker. hehe

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    Quote Originally Posted by greenfairy View Post
    Are we talking about value judgments here? Because I already think I am a good enough person. That's not the problem.
    From the OP: "constant commitment to being my best."

    Note the contradictions and recall my quote above from Please Understand Me. "Being my best" is an ideal, while, "a good enough person" is the more enlightened view in the quote on NF Idealists.

    Quote Originally Posted by greenfairy View Post
    I mean trying to identify what kind of a person I am and put myself into categories for the purposes of analysis and application of systems.
    I don't subscribe to the "one type per person" scenario. If you are only one type then you're not very well-rounded and probably mental, but I doubt that. MBTI tritypes and tertiary-loop theory apply very well here.

    Quote Originally Posted by greenfairy View Post
    Well I can't deny that from what I've said on here it may look that way. But I know the way my mind works, and all the situations in my life in which I've applied these concepts, and all the areas in which I have analyzed the difference between INTP and INFP,
    I don't care about INFP. Your own statements indicate J, so now the choice is forced between INTJ and INFJ.

    Quote Originally Posted by greenfairy View Post
    and the evidence clearly stacks up in favor of NT. I don't expect I can communicate all this online as it would be impossible. I'm just trying my best. The same goes for J-P, and I would say it would be between INTP and INTJ making me more INTX.
    "Well, this way of knowing truth I would say is pretty universal. I think the best way to know any truth is through one's intuition."
    "It seems like I have more of a judging communication style."
    "Although I as far as schedules and deadlines are concerned, they tend to make me commitment phobic. But they kind of also make me feel more comfortable." You're slightly more J.
    "I say I connect with the goddess and god energy, but this is not really in a theistic sense." I can't understand this from my INTP perspective.
    "I think of it more in terms of archetypes." I really dislike archetypes, but to each his own. Maybe some INTPs like them. But they are more Si.

    I don't deny you're something like INXX because there is a narrow gap between the last two letters, but the tertiary-loop applies where you come across in your descriptions as overly introverted because of NiFi or NiTi or some other combination of introverted functions, along with the fact that you're very complex and very introspective. You've admitted above you don't know much about the tertiary loop. It will exclude Fe and prop up Ti in the INFJ type. If you want to consider more evidence, that's the direction to look.
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