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    Yeah ENFJ sounds good. I could relate to it on a fundamental level. I don't relate to the "horrible people" thing though more ambivalence or neutrality.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mal+ View Post
    I don't believe people are limited to a single type, but that their personality traits are spread across a spectrum. So my best guess is that she is 1. ENFJ, 2. INFJ, 3. INFP, in order of strength. The fact that she is conflicted over type should tell you that some other type comes in a close second. So while the consensus says ENFJ, I wouldn't rule out the idea that some other type is almost as predominant.
    That makes sense. Like in the subtype system I've looked at, by functions tests, my subtype would be ENFJ after ISFP.

    In terms of four letter dichotomies I am borderline on E/I most of all, and then on N/S.

    Why do you think ENFJ is her main type if she says she doesn't like initiating conversations and hates some people, yet likes to interact and finds it rude when people are bad conversationalists?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Marmie Dearest View Post
    That makes sense. Like in the subtype system I've looked at, by functions tests, my subtype would be ENFJ after ISFP.

    In terms of four letter dichotomies I am borderline on E/I most of all, and then on N/S.

    Why do you think ENFJ is her main type if she says she doesn't like initiating conversations and hates some people, yet likes to interact and finds it rude when people are bad conversationalists?
    She hates rude people, and doesn't want other to think she is one of the rude types. That's Fe. She thinks bad conversationalists are rude. Fe.

    This person is almost totally engaged with the emotions of others:

    "-I love talking to people, especially about feelings because I love that emotional high you get from pleasing people.
    -I hate initiating conversation because I feel like I'm trying too hard and I hate the fact that I always feel like I'm trying hard with friends. They don't seem to put in as much as effort as me in maintaining a friendship."
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    Quote Originally Posted by Mal+ View Post
    I don't split them like that because the MBTI borrowed bits and pieces from Jung, and then added on J and P.
    You're missing the point. You see and use what is mutually exclusive, but not what is mutually inclusive. This limits theoretical awareness.

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    One thing that keeps me from believing that I'm an ENFJ with certainty is that I have been described as awkward many times yet ENFJs are described as being charismatic or charming. I don't think I'm either of those. The letters seem to fit me but the descriptions just don't seem me. :/

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    Quote Originally Posted by Marmie Dearest View Post
    That makes sense. Like in the subtype system I've looked at, by functions tests, my subtype would be ENFJ after ISFP.

    In terms of four letter dichotomies I am borderline on E/I most of all, and then on N/S.

    Why do you think ENFJ is her main type if she says she doesn't like initiating conversations and hates some people, yet likes to interact and finds it rude when people are bad conversationalists?
    I don't hate some people. I don't hate anyone, I just think some people are horrible. It makes me so conflicted D:

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    Quote Originally Posted by Marmie Dearest View Post
    That makes sense. Like in the subtype system I've looked at, by functions tests, my subtype would be ENFJ after ISFP.
    By the way, what is that subtype system?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Little_Sticks View Post
    I can take a whole watermelon and describe it as it is.
    I can then take a whole watermelon, cut it in half, and describe each half of the watermelon as if they were separate; however, to do so destroys the concept of the whole watermelon. In other words, whether you see JCF and MBTI as mutually exclusive is how you choose to look at it and not necessarily objectively true, as there can also be truth in them being mutually inclusive.
    I like watermelons.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Aleda View Post
    One thing that keeps me from believing that I'm an ENFJ with certainty is that I have been described as awkward many times yet ENFJs are described as being charismatic or charming. I don't think I'm either of those. The letters seem to fit me but the descriptions just don't seem me. :/
    That's not the substance of ENFJ.

    I myself don't identify with 100% of the INTP description. Oh well, I guess I'm just me after all.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Mal+ View Post
    Using that method, Adela comes out as Ni-dom.
    And I would be a Te dom.

    Actually come to think of it...I struggle with Se, Fi and Si. That doesn't seem right....
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