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    Default I is Confuzzled--Typing Turtledove

    Okay, ennegram confuses me the most than MBTI does. On certain tests I either get a 4, a 6, a 9, and the latest, a 5. For the longest time I thought I was a 4, then I think 6 sounds like me because I saw the 6 as being a loyal worry wart. 9...okay I do like peace and harmony, but I'm going to be myself on the inside and not let anybody change me or poke at my value system. Also, the sx/sp/so thing I'm also confused on. I heard something along the lines that sp/so and so/sp is more common than one thinks and that sx is more of a primitive emotion, which I don't consider myself to be. So...help!
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    Which type descriptions do you identify most with? Tests are usually unreliable
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    @21% Well, according the the eccleticenergies website, I sound more like a 6 and the only thing about the 4 is I don't identify with is the "feeling superior to others;" it's the other way around.
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    4s know that they are obsessed with themselves, with their precious identities, with being unique and special, and fluctuate between 'envying' 'normal people' and feeling proud of being different. 6s tend to be more aware of the people around them and how they fit in, and actually WANT to fit in. Does that make sense?
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    @21% Well, what about wanting to fit in, but with people who are just as like-minded as that particular person, and not finding them?
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    I remember trying so hard to find like-minded people in high school to be friends with. Never did, though. But as a 4, I have this tendency to be jealous of other 'unique' people, so ultimately I'm not sure if I actually want to find like-minded people or not. I like people who are unique in a different way, but at the same time I am aware of this ugly tendency towards jealousy to lurk deep in my mind.

    Anyway, I don't completely understand 6s, so perhaps @SilkRoad can help?
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    I've always felt "different" and still do to a certain extent but I'm now more interested in common ground. I kind of downplay my "different" aspects or find like-minded people (I've been fortunate, there's usually been one or two around and sometimes more.) The 4 thing about "ooohhh, so different and special" seems a bit annoying and teenage to me. (Not trying to be rude, I'm sure 4s find me irritating too ) THat was one thing that tipped me off I wasn't a 4. I certainly don't generate emotions for their own sake - or if I do it's in a "controlled" environment such as the arts (I'm a huge culture vulture and it seems like a "safe" way to me to experience "drama.")

    I definitely want people on-side. I have some very loyal friends but I do have feelings of anxiety if someone moves away, or if the relationship is troubled, or whatever. I am mainly phobic but I relate to the idea that there is a sliding scale between phobic and counterphobic and I doubt any 6 is completely one or the other. I definitely have counterphobic moments where I go on the attack or a strong defense if I feel threatened or angry. I would also very much prioritize security in a romantic relationship. Not so much materially/financially (though I wouldn't entirely rule that out, I think the "true love will sort out every practical problem" approach is dumb and annoying), but someone who is emotionally "safe" and would look after me and my feelings and be a strong rock. I love adventures and fun, but I get scared if there doesn't seem to be an underlying basis of safety (ie. I'm with people I trust, I have a place to sleep that night, etc). I'm also prone to actual phobias.

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    @SilkRoad Exactly! That's how I feel about life. So, there wasn't a BIG reason for me to totally re-question whether I was a 6 or not. Thanks for clearing that up for me.

    Now about the variants...?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Turtledove View Post
    @SilkRoad Exactly! That's how I feel about life. So, there wasn't a BIG reason for me to totally re-question whether I was a 6 or not. Thanks for clearing that up for me.

    Now about the variants...?
    I'm sp/sx - I'm pretty sure. One of the things that clinched 6 for me was that sp-first 6s were supposed to be warm and cautiously friendly in a sort of "going towards" way with people to "defuse" possible "danger" from them. Which fits me, and the ISFJ-ish Fe-heavy INFJ I am, very well.

    I am pretty certain I'm sp-first. I could possibly be sp/so instead of sp/sx, but the sp/sx descriptions I've read fit me better, overall.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Turtledove View Post
    @SilkRoad Exactly! That's how I feel about life. So, there wasn't a BIG reason for me to totally re-question whether I was a 6 or not. Thanks for clearing that up for me.

    Now about the variants...?
    Here are the e6 stackings descriptions at
    http://ocean-moonshine.net/e14285736...position=87:80

    These look interesting so I synopsized them here.

    Sp/So
    Looks to find security in alliances. This type is the least counterphobic.

    Sp/Sx
    This type shares with the self-pres/social stacking the need to keep their environment in order. They also can appear One-like in that way. The differences revolve around the fact that they find their security more in their ability to attract a mate. They are concerned about how they are seen sexually.

    So/Sp
    This type appears One-like also, but for different reasons. This time, the social instinct combines with the self-pres to give this subtype a strong desire to know where they fit within the group, with whom they can make strong alliances.

    So/Sx
    This type can be very different from the other social type, because with this type, security comes from making alliances with individuals. Their weakness comes from their self-pres instinct being last, so they are not as independent as the self-pres/soc. They rely on key people in their lives when doubt sets in.

    Sx/Sp
    The sexual/self-pres Six is more concerned with strength, beauty and merging. With this stacking, the counterphobic energy is directed more toward individuals than towards ideas and concepts. It’s more about controlling the people closest to them.

    Sx/So
    The counterphobic stance of the sexual Six can be seen in competition for attracting the right mate, and in testing to see who is worthy of trust. This is true of both sexual subtypes and especially true of the sexual/social. This type is likely to be found quite commonly among actresses and actors as they tend towards a dramatic presentation.
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