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    Quote Originally Posted by AphroditeGoneAwry View Post
    I am the same way.

    I think it is a Ti versus Te issue, predominately. Ne/Ti at work in the psyche, more specifically, I think makes 'conspiracy theories' not only palatable, but appetizing, and, when unhealthy--and perhaps combined with some form of Si/Ni/Fi--downright neurotic.

    Te demands more proof usually, though a Te-er who introverts to an unhealthy degree can fall prey to this mindset as well.
    But INFJ's have Ti not Te. In this instance, if I am INFJ, it would be Ti vs Ti? Or is it Fe vs Ti? If you suspect Te, what does that say about me?
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    Quote Originally Posted by AffirmitiveAnxiety View Post
    But INFJ's have Ti not Te.
    Says who?

    In this instance, if I am INFJ, it would be Ti vs Ti? Or is it Fe vs Ti? If you suspect Te, what does that say about me?
    That you can use Te? Or you are not an infj?
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    Quote Originally Posted by AphroditeGoneAwry View Post
    Says who?
    Well if we are going off MBTI here then MBTI. The functions are Ni>Fe>Ti>Se. However this is only on the assumption that we are looking at this through the system of MBTI. Actually if we are discussing the 16 lettered types then it has to be MBTI because no other system uses that ordering of letters.


    Quote Originally Posted by AphroditeGoneAwry View Post
    That you can use Te? Or you are not an infj?
    Exactly. Which is what im trying to figure out, so if I use Te as you believe I do, what would your estimate of me be?
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    Quote Originally Posted by AffirmitiveAnxiety View Post
    Well if we are going off MBTI here then MBTI. The functions are Ni>Fe>Ti>Se. However this is only on the assumption that we are looking at this through the system of MBTI. Actually if we are discussing the 16 lettered types then it has to be MBTI because no other system uses that ordering of letters.
    Well, there was disagreement about the tert function and its orientation. Jung said it was opposite the dominant, and some MBTI followers as well (wiki it). They've settled on a similar alignment with the dominant, but that is, I believe, a misdirection in thinking.



    Exactly. Which is what im trying to figure out, so if I use Te as you believe I do, what would your estimate of me be?
    I'm sorry, I haven't studied your posts in that way. Perhaps you are an INTJ-ish INFJ...?
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    Quote Originally Posted by AphroditeGoneAwry View Post
    Well, there was disagreement about the tert function and its orientation. Jung said it was opposite the dominant, and some MBTI followers as well (wiki it). They've settled on a similar alignment with the dominant, but that is, I believe, a misdirection in thinking.
    Fair enough. Afterall even Jung himself only relegates the auxiliary and any other functions as being subordinate to the dominant, to the point that they are almost unconscious by comparison.


    Quote Originally Posted by AphroditeGoneAwry View Post
    I'm sorry, I haven't studied your posts in that way. Perhaps you are an INTJ-ish INFJ...?
    Ive never heard of that before, but hey why not? It's ok you dont have to study my posts, it's nice that you actually took the time to deal with me in the first place, which most wont.
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    Upon further consideration....I believe myself to actually be an ISFJ. Jung's description of Si, as well as the one in the MBTI book Gift's Differing resonate with me on a much more intense level than Ni.

    Also in Lenore Thompson's book 'personality type an owners manual', her description of ISJ types sounds like she is describing me down to a Tee.
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    Quote Originally Posted by AffirmitiveAnxiety View Post
    Upon further consideration....I believe myself to actually be an ISFJ. Jung's description of Si, as well as the one in the MBTI book Gift's Differing resonate with me on a much more intense level than Ni.

    Also in Lenore Thompson's book 'personality type an owners manual', her description of ISJ types sounds like she is describing me down to a Tee.
    That makes sense.

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    Quote Originally Posted by The Great One View Post
    That makes sense.
    Do you think so? If you dont mind me asking, could you elaborate?

    Incidentally my criticism of David Keirsey far pre-dates the idea of me being an ISFJ.
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    Quote Originally Posted by The Great One View Post
    That makes sense.
    No, actually that would make her an isTEEj.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Mal+ View Post
    No, actually that would make her an isTEEj.
    Unfortunately im a man....at least I think I am last time I checked....but you get laughs for the 'tee'.
    'One of (Lucas) Cranach's masterpieces, discussed by (Joseph) Koerner, is in it's self-referentiality the perfect expression of left-hemisphere emptiness and a precursor of post-modernism. There is no longer anything to point to beyond, nothing Other, so it points pointlessly to itself.' - Iain McGilChrist

    Suppose a tree fell down, Pooh, when we were underneath it?"
    "Suppose it didn't," said Pooh, after careful thought.
    Piglet was comforted by this.
    - A.A. Milne.

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