Then you have an ESFP who is able to compartmentalize tasks, to put aside innate flightiness and distractedness, whereas there is always an ESFP somewhere without that ability. Or to go to an extreme, my step-daughter, an ESFP whose hands shake terribly. [Edit - that means, the extreme of a non-ideal surgeon whose hands shake during surgery.
This is how an ESFP would become a good surgeon. As you point out, all ESFPs are not the same in this regard, just as there is considerable variation within every type.
Originally Posted by Mal+
If I wanted a hand-job, yes, just not surgery. But since you're talking about an "ideal" surgeon, I wouldn't want to be operated on by someone who is less than the ideal surgeon. Would you? Of course certain types are ideal for certain careers, in general. The MBTI was created based upon that very scenario. So when someone comes along and says that any type can belong to any career, that defeats the purpose of someone using the MBTI to make the ideal career choice. Because it's not the point to say that an ENFJ can be a program developer. We all know that reality doesn't always conform with theory. But reality isn't the ideal, where the ideal exists only in the mind.
What is an "ideal surgeon"? How many perfectly adequate surgeons would you reject before finding an ideal? The ideal might change depending upon the surgery. Here, the best is the enemy of the good. I would look for (and have done so) a surgeon with a good track record of success in the surgery I was to have. Is this your ideal? If so, then we agree.
MBTI was NOT created to box people into career choices based upon type, or to identify ideal careers for any type. It was based on the premise that certain types tended to be happier and more successful doing certain jobs, not that this was a necessary absolute. It is a guideline to help people understand themselves, not a perfect list of correspondences.
The key is for each person to understand his/her strengths and weaknesses, preferences and pet peeves, so they can be better informed as they evaluate job/career options. This certainly can help someone identify a job matching their type. If someone is interested in a job atypical for their type, though, it can highlight what the major sources of dissatisfaction might be, not to dissuade them from the job, but to show them how to approach it in a way more suited to their interests and talents. It is often the typological "odd man out" who is able to break group-think in an organization, and bring added dimensions of creativity and perspective.
Hope is the denial of reality. It is the carrot dangled before the draft horse to keep him plodding along in a vain attempt to reach it. We should remove the carrot and walk forward with our eyes open. -- Raistlin Majere
Not necessarily putting on an act - I've met him before and he really is that way in real life too. It's a good case for me being INTP though - we're able to chameleon. Perhaps there are too many ENFPs on this thread so I'm starting to act like one
And yes, there are such things as INTPs who overuse emoticons