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    ISTP 6w5 final answer.

    Although really, I think the age factor may be the most important here. I still thought I could do telekinesis if I just focused hard enough, and visualized the manipulation of the electromagnetic field until I was 14.

    Okay 16.



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    Quote Originally Posted by JocktheMotie View Post
    TBH I think he's a 6.

    How old are you Raptor? 14? It doesn't seem like you comprehend anything you're saying. It's like you're just reading from the back of INTJ123's self published novella.
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    I thought Ni nuttiness as well...

    But I really can't see why he'd relish in it, if he was ISTP. Unless he's getting high. I said in another thread recently that the first thing when those type of thoughts come in.. or I hear them elsewhere... I want to do something as grounded as possible. I can't even use my intuition right now to come up with what I mean right now. Normal shit. Whatever gets me back "here".

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    Definitely iNtuitive.

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    Quote Originally Posted by KDude View Post
    I thought Ni nuttiness as well...

    But I really can't see why he'd relish in it, if he was ISTP. Unless he's getting high. I said in another thread recently that the first thing when those type of thoughts come in.. or I hear them elsewhere... I want to do something as grounded as possible. I can't even use my intuition right now to come up with what I mean right now. Normal shit. Whatever gets me back "here".
    it's Ne, not Ni. he is fixated on possibilities and places tremendous importance in them whether or not they are actually true. Ni is focused on what is, what will be and frameworks that explain reality.
    Edit: oh, never mind, I think you agree with me lol
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    Quote Originally Posted by Rasofy View Post
    I think it is a weirdness that is more similar to INTP's weirdness than Kalach's weirdness. If that makes sense. More chaotic and less abstract.
    I'm not saying he's an Ni dom.

    I'm saying his cognition could be heavily TiNi, the dominant loop of an ISTP.

    Put Ni in the tertiary and, for Christ's sake, you don't think it would bring in a bit of chaos?!

    Quote Originally Posted by Elfboy View Post
    his Ne is SOOO obvious, not ISTP
    his Ni is SOOO obvious, not INTP



    Quote Originally Posted by JocktheMotie View Post
    ISTP 6w5 final answer.

    Although really, I think the age factor may be the most important here. I still thought I could do telekinesis if I just focused hard enough, and visualized the manipulation of the electromagnetic field until I was 14.

    Okay 16.


    Quote Originally Posted by Giggly View Post
    Definitely iNtuitive.
    I by no means deny that he's heavy on iNtuition, it's just, how do you know that makes him an iNtuitive, and not someone engaging in a TiNi loop?

    Quote Originally Posted by KDude View Post
    I thought Ni nuttiness as well...

    But I really can't see why he'd relish in it, if he was ISTP. Unless he's getting high. I said in another thread recently that the first thing when those type of thoughts come in.. or I hear them elsewhere... I want to do something as grounded as possible. I can't even use my intuition right now to come up with what I mean right now. Normal shit. Whatever gets me back "here".
    Well, different individuals within a type certainly react to and use different functions differently, so, just because that is your reaction to Ni, doesn't mean it's gunna be his reaction to Ni...

    Quote Originally Posted by Elfboy View Post
    it's Ne, not Ni. he is fixated on possibilities and places tremendous importance in them whether or not they are actually true. Ni is focused on what is, what will be and frameworks that explain reality.
    You need to go back and look up the definition of iNtuitive functions...

    Both N functions are about possibilities, both S functions are about what is.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Zarathustra View Post
    You need to go back and look up the definition of iNtuitive functions...

    Both N functions are about possibilities, both S functions are about what is.
    wrong
    - Ni is also about what is, it deals with the mental models of how reality operates.
    - also, Si is not about what is. Si is an internal standard of how things should be. it is a storehouse of internal standards by which reality is measured against, not what actually is.

    essentially
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    Ni: what is, in the sense of how everything fits together in reality
    Se: what is, tangibly speaking
    Si: a standard by which what is is measured against
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    I see where @Elfboy is coming from. As for TiNi, typically loops involve the tertiary reinforcing the perspective of the dominant, so TiNi would be something like Ni use in order to preserve the apparent truth of a logical construction or rule and I don't know if that's what we're seeing.



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    Quote Originally Posted by Elfboy View Post
    wrong
    No, actually, you're wrong.

    Have you spent even a second reading Jung?

    Quote Originally Posted by Elfboy View Post
    - Ni is also about what is, it deals with the mental models of how reality operates.
    It deals with possibilities.

    Yes, it does try to narrow those down to that which is most likely/most likely to happen.

    And that is, in some way, largely due to its two-sides-of-the-same-coin connection to Se.

    Regardless, it's, as Jung said of the iNtuitive functions, about possibilities.

    Quote Originally Posted by Elfboy View Post
    - also, Si is not about what is. Si is an internal standard of how things should be. it is a storehouse of internal standards by which reality is measured against, not what actually is.
    Si is about one's internal reactions to what is.

    It is not about possibilities.

    It is about one concrete sensation.

    That one concrete sensation is what is.

    Quote Originally Posted by Elfboy View Post
    essentially
    Ne: what could be
    Ni: what is, in the sense of how everything fits together in reality
    Se: what is, tangibly speaking
    Si: a standard by which what is is measured against
    Your definitions here are shit.

    Se is the closest.

    Si is pretty off.

    Ni is only partially correct.

    Ne is only partially correct.

    I've never been in an argument (let alone a discussion, really) with you, but I have seen other people express their exasperation at being so, and embarking on that journey for the first time doesn't seem like my idea of continuing my otherwise pleasant Sunday afternoon/evening. You are simply wrong, though, in not understanding that N functions are about possibilities, and S functions are about what is. That is straight from Jung's mouth in 'Psychological Types'. Is there some truth you're pointing to in your definitions/arguments? Yes. But if you don't understand the fundamental truism that N functions are about possibilities and S functions are about what is, then you're on the wrong foot from the very get-go. If you have that proper footing, then you can properly understand how some of the stuff you ascribed to some of the perceiving function-attitudes does indeed fit into the bigger picture. Without that fundamental understanding, though, you will never properly understand the functions.
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    @Zarathustra
    clearly I've bothered you, whatever
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