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    Quote Originally Posted by plastic View Post
    Maybe make your own post and see if we could help figure it out? I'd certainly throw in my two cents if you provided more info. The best part is, we're both trying to decide between NTJ, NTP, and STP. But now I'm wondering if I'm an I with E tendencies...
    NTP: Ne>Si, Ti>Fe
    NTJ: Ni>Se, Te>Fi
    STP: Se>Ni, Ti>Fe

    since you seem to have a strong Se and no signs of Si, we can eliminate NTP
    and since you seem to have a strong Fe and no signs of Fi, we can eliminate NTJ

    STP by a process of elimination.

    you still have a strong Ti which explains your social inclination towards the rational stereotype, the same principle of other T>F types would apply (a.k.a. having a hard time feeling what your not thinking), but remember that being a rational person has nothing to do with being within the rational archetype.

    seriously whose the idiot that decided that ENTPs have more in common with ENTJs then they do with ENFPs, or that INTPs have more in common with INTJs then they do with ESTPs? KEIRSEY!!!!!! *takes out pitchfork and torch*

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    Did you take MBTI Step 2?

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    Quote Originally Posted by highlander View Post
    Did you take MBTI Step 2?
    Nope. That costs money, doesn't it? If it doesn't, I'd be glad to.


    Quote Originally Posted by Mane View Post
    NTP: Ne>Si, Ti>Fe
    NTJ: Ni>Se, Te>Fi
    STP: Se>Ni, Ti>Fe

    since you seem to have a strong Se and no signs of Si, we can eliminate NTP
    and since you seem to have a strong Fe and no signs of Fi, we can eliminate NTJ

    STP by a process of elimination.

    you still have a strong Ti which explains your social inclination towards the rational stereotype, the same principle of other T>F types would apply (a.k.a. having a hard time feeling what your not thinking), but remember that being a rational person has nothing to do with being within the rational archetype.

    seriously whose the idiot that decided that ENTPs have more in common with ENTJs then they do with ENFPs, or that INTPs have more in common with INTJs then they do with ESTPs? KEIRSEY!!!!!! *takes out pitchfork and torch*
    Yeah, the more I think about the more counterproductive Keirsey's archetypes seem. I came up with a couple objections to your process of elimination but then thought of explanations that refuted my counterpoints.

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    Quote Originally Posted by plastic View Post
    Nope. That costs money, doesn't it? If it doesn't, I'd be glad to.
    It costs $80 - $90. It's not that much in the big scheme of things. 8 years is a long time.

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    Taking a new approach:

    Extroversion 55%
    Orderliness 47%
    Emotional Stability 87%
    Accommodation 35%
    Inquisitiveness 67%

    These were my scores for similarminds.com's Global 5 test, which put me at SCUEI (primary type Calm). SCUEI corresponds to ENTP. Not willing to accept this at face value, I decided to look at every Global 5 type description and identify which fit me best. Then, I looked to see which MBTI types my best matches corresponded to. Below are the 2 descriptions that fit me best, plus the description corresponding to ESTP. Bolded characteristics are ones that do not describe me. Note: each MBTI type has two corresponding Global 5 types. For each, one of the G5 types seems to be a "healthy" version, and the other, "unhealthy." None of the unhealthy descriptions matched well, so I focused on the healthy versions.

    SCUEI / ENTP
    preferred careers match: excellent
    not afraid of doing the wrong things, does not value rules and regulations, prefers unpredictable to organized, does not accomplish work on time, needs to maintain high levels of excitement, out for own personal gain, not afraid to draw attention to self, more pleasure seeking than responsible, not bothered by disorder, retaliatory, thrives on the rush of risk taking, unpredictable, asks questions that nobody else does, often does not know what they are doing, spontaneous, first to act, not easily hurt, not apprehensive about new encounters, does not readily admit mistakes, not a perfectionist, not apologetic, disorganized, socially comfortable, outgoing, calm in crisis, fearless, atheist/agnostic tendencies, good at getting people to have fun, opinionated, not easily moved to tears, sexually immodest, adventurous, unconventional, aggressive, often late, high energy level, likes the spotlight, ambivalent about the needs of others, worry free, acts without thinking or planning, bad at saving money, selfish

    SCOAI / ENFJ
    preferred careers match: very good
    happy, level emotions, not easily discouraged, optimistic, fearless, self confident, non-hostile, trusting, rarely sad, social, content, positive, knows where life is going, socially skilled, not quiet around strangers, acts comfortably with others, takes on responsibilities, likes public speaking, not prone to worrying, not apprehensive about new encounters, flexible, adapts easily to new situations, not afraid to draw attention to self, likes to lead, not bored while working, likes others, hard to annoy, calm in crisis, does not second guess self, not embarrassed easily, high energy level, easy to understand, thinks before acting, strong sense or purpose, likes crowds, interested in science, not prone to jealousy, comfortable in unfamiliar situations, fearless, not skeptical, true to self in all circumstances, highly motivated to succeed, decisive, easy to get to know, narcissistic, driven by reason, physically fit, passionate about bettering the world's condition, finishes most things they start, not easily confused, willing to explain things twice, thinks they are extraordinary

    SCUEN / ESTP
    preferred careers match: N/A
    not easily hurt, spends more time in group activities than solitary activities, comes alive at parties and in crowds, not very religious, would not want to give up drinking or smoking, not mystical, not big on science fiction, does not care if people think poorly of them, not very introspective, fits in most places, does not like to go days without speaking to people, likes change, trusting, not very intellectual, underachiever, not easily moved to tears, thrill seeker, does not like to compromise, not apologetic, avoids difficult reading material, relaxed most of the time, likes danger, not punctual, impatient, not upset by the misfortunes of strangers, believes in an eye for an eye, not detail oriented, uninterested in the needs of others, avoids responsibilities, not known for generosity, more dominant than submissive, likes crowds, aggressive, willing to take risks, not embarrassed easily, not passionate about improving the world, show off, socially comfortable, acts as they please, not bothered by disorder


    Results:
    All 3 had a similar number of "incorrect" characteristics, but ESTP's stood out as blatantly wrong. This puts ESTP into doubt and brings ENTP back to the table. ENFJ is interesting because 1) it was my type when I first took the MBTI test as a child 2) it possesses the same cognitive functions as ESTP, which others here have identified as my likely type on the basis of funcitons.

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    Maybe ENTP?
    Have you looked at functions?
    Ne+Ti (ENTP) or Te+Ni (ENTJ)?

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    Quote Originally Posted by plastic View Post
    First, some relevant aspects of my personality. I discuss what I think I am after that, but I want you to come to your own conclusions first. Thanks for the help!

    - Enjoy meeting new people, always looking for a crowd.
    - I'm normally friendly and polite, but I'll definitely be tough if I think someone can take it
    - I walk fast all the time. If someone's with me, they can catch up. Getting stuck behind someone standing on an escalator makes me want to explode.
    - Love exercise and physical activity
    - Enjoy debate, strategy games, and public speaking
    - Dislike authority and restricted freedom. I have no problem breaking the rules.
    - Not good at expressing my internal beliefs when questioned. They make perfect sense in my head, but it's difficult to draw them forth.
    - As a teenager, I was a romantic idealist and overly critical of those closest to me. I've gotten better at going with the flow and am now quite a cynic.
    - Everything I do has to fit with my quest for personal fulfillment. I hate trivial or pointless tasks.
    - I try to budget my time, but procrastinate horribly. Physical space is well organized.
    - Very good sense of style and aesthetics in general
    - I thrive off creating new worlds, especially through fiction writing or video games. But ultimately, I'd rather live my own life than dream of someone else's.
    - I jump between several interests, but when one grabs me I'll pursue it obsessively
    - Shamelessly narcissistic (but not egoistic!)
    - Think before I talk. I'm a very judicious writer
    - Very comfortable with leading people, but I won't pursue leadership if everything is already going smoothly
    - Introspective
    - Love learning about how things work. Engineer by profession.
    - I have no reservations about manipulating people, though I'd rather come across as my authentic self
    - Good at picking up patterns
    - Dry sense of humor that often goes undetected. Sometimes witty / a smartass
    - I've been told I tend to talk in absolutes and am too afraid of being wrong


    So we're looking at ENTP or ENTJ. I think I seem more ENTJ on paper, but I have a few serious reservations. First, the time management. I like being scheduled, but I always put fun before work. Maybe I just fail at Te? I use Ti quite a lot. Likewise, I identify more with Ne than Ni. Fe and Fi are about equal, though I think it's more likely that the apparent Fi is a result of other processes. Finally, I have a strong Se component. Si can drop off the face of the planet for all I care.
    You strike me as ESTP: Se-Ti-Fe-Ni (in my opinion).

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mitsuko Souma View Post
    You strike me as ESTP: Se-Ti-Fe-Ni (in my opinion).
    Even the name "Plastic" sounds ESTP-ish.
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    Quote Originally Posted by alcea rosea View Post
    Maybe ENTP?
    Have you looked at functions?
    Ne+Ti (ENTP) or Te+Ni (ENTJ)?
    Extensively. I can see instances where I use all four, so it's difficult to decide which ones are actually at play.

    Quote Originally Posted by Mitsuko Souma View Post
    You strike me as ESTP: Se-Ti-Fe-Ni (in my opinion).
    Thanks for your input Would you care to elaborate?

    Quote Originally Posted by Mal+ View Post
    Even the name "Plastic" sounds ESTP-ish.
    Haha what a Ni thing to say - making a random association without providing the grounds for it.

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    Yes; you have a lot of Se traits. Here are a the examples of Se you have(in my opinion):
    - Enjoy meeting new people, always looking for a crowd.
    - I walk fast all the time. If someone's with me, they can catch up. Getting stuck behind someone standing on an escalator makes me want to explode.
    - Love exercise and physical activity
    - As a teenager, I was a romantic idealist and overly critical of those closest to me. I've gotten better at going with the flow and am now quite a cynic.
    - I try to budget my time, but procrastinate horribly. Physical space is well organized.
    - I jump between several interests, but when one grabs me I'll pursue it obsessively

    There are only 6 of them that really show this with confidence a few seem Se like but also kinda go with other functions so I didn't post them but these I think I am like certain are Se. So that narrows it down to ESXP already with Se as a dominant function. Next was to see if you were more Ti (ESTP) or Fi (ESFP) as a secondary function. Based off of your description, you strike me more Ti than Fi. So there you have ESTP as my guess. Here are some examples of what I think showed Ti (in my opinion):
    - Enjoy debate, strategy games, and public speaking (partly Se as well)
    - Think before I talk. I'm a very judicious writer
    - Love learning about how things work. Engineer by profession.
    - Good at picking up patterns
    - Dry sense of humor that often goes undetected. Sometimes witty / a smartass
    - I've been told I tend to talk in absolutes and am too afraid of being wrong

    Though you do seem very balanced between Se/Ti so you may be ISTP (possibly) but since you seem to express more extroverted characteristics I would go with ESTP. Hope this helps.

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