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    Quote Originally Posted by Fluxkom View Post
    In the tests 7 always comes up equal strong as 9. Both far ahead of the rest. So either 7w8 or 9w8.
    Same indifference as in T/F.

    Ranked as follows: 7=9>>8=5>4>3>6=2>>1
    the order of enneas can be the hardest part to distinguish.
    you _will_ type your ennea order probably many times wrong, until you go deep, very deep inside of yourself and comes the A HA realization, that, you truly value one over another.

    ask yourself, which is more important to have fun life or a peaceful one. not just one, you can have both, but there is more one than another.

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    Quote Originally Posted by BlackCat View Post
    What about Fi do you relate to? Why would you say you use that over Ti?
    Ok maybe I don't really understand the difference to Fe here.

    So some stories for you that happend in the past.

    1. I was driving home and there was a hitchhiker. I generally take every hitchhiker with me if I have space in the car. I happend to have this time, so I let him jump in.
    He told me he was from Slowenia and got robbed and just got out of the police department where they have told him that there's basically nothing they could do for him.
    So I asked him what he wants to do, and he said he wants to go to the Netherlands and visit a friend, but since he's been robbed, it'll be difficult to get there.
    So I told him that the best way would be to get to Frankfurt first, since that was the next closest big city and it would be easier to get a ride from there.
    He was quite messed up, smelled a bit and probably didn't shower for five days from the look of his hair.
    I told him that I'd drop him off at the next Autobahn exit, so he could continue his hike from there (it was about 20:00 and already dark) When he got out, I also gave him 20€ so he could buy himself some food on his journey.
    After departing from him I wondered why I didn't offer him to stay with me that night, take a shower, wash his clothes, let him use the phone and then drop him off in Frankfurt directly, as I work there, as it was totally a possibilty.

    2. Me and a friend went to San Francisco when we were just 20 for a Magic the Gathering Grand Prix. When we arrived in SF, we had no idea where our hostel was located, so I just went to the next guy I saw and asked him.
    My friend was quite unsure what to think of that action, as the said guy turned out to be a homeless guy and asked us in a very hard to understand english to follow him. He lead through dark side streets and my friend almost panicked in fear of getting mugged. I however in my naivity thought that it'll all turn out good. 5 Minutes later he dropped us right at the doorsteps of the hostel.

    3. Another hitchhiker I took from the Autobahn on my way home. He was a young guy from the US, who just finished his bachelor and wanted to travel Europe for a year, couchsurfing. Again it was late and I asked him where he wanted to go. He said Nuremberg, which was still quite a distance, and he still had not figured out where to sleep that night in Nuremberg, since all the potential hosts had not called him back. So I instantly offered him to hit my couch, since my wife and kids have been away that night with their grandparents. We had a really fun evening, talked a lot about politics and education systems in Germany and the US and just had a good time. Next morning I dropped him off at the Autobahn and never heard from him again.

    So tell me. Is this thing of trusting people and trying to help them a morale decision, or is it just the logical thing to do? Is it out of compassion or empathy?
    It's hard for me to see the difference there.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Fluxkom View Post
    Ok maybe I don't really understand the difference to Fe here.

    So some stories for you that happend in the past.

    1. I was driving home and there was a hitchhiker. I generally take every hitchhiker with me if I have space in the car. I happend to have this time, so I let him jump in.
    He told me he was from Slowenia and got robbed and just got out of the police department where they have told him that there's basically nothing they could do for him.
    So I asked him what he wants to do, and he said he wants to go to the Netherlands and visit a friend, but since he's been robbed, it'll be difficult to get there.
    So I told him that the best way would be to get to Frankfurt first, since that was the next closest big city and it would be easier to get a ride from there.
    He was quite messed up, smelled a bit and probably didn't shower for five days from the look of his hair.
    I told him that I'd drop him off at the next Autobahn exit, so he could continue his hike from there (it was about 20:00 and already dark) When he got out, I also gave him 20€ so he could buy himself some food on his journey.
    After departing from him I wondered why I didn't offer him to stay with me that night, take a shower, wash his clothes, let him use the phone and then drop him off in Frankfurt directly, as I work there, as it was totally a possibilty.

    2. Me and a friend went to San Francisco when we were just 20 for a Magic the Gathering Grand Prix. When we arrived in SF, we had no idea where our hostel was located, so I just went to the next guy I saw and asked him.
    My friend was quite unsure what to think of that action, as the said guy turned out to be a homeless guy and asked us in a very hard to understand english to follow him. He lead through dark side streets and my friend almost panicked in fear of getting mugged. I however in my naivity thought that it'll all turn out good. 5 Minutes later he dropped us right at the doorsteps of the hostel.

    3. Another hitchhiker I took from the Autobahn on my way home. He was a young guy from the US, who just finished his bachelor and wanted to travel Europe for a year, couchsurfing. Again it was late and I asked him where he wanted to go. He said Nuremberg, which was still quite a distance, and he still had not figured out where to sleep that night in Nuremberg, since all the potential hosts had not called him back. So I instantly offered him to hit my couch, since my wife and kids have been away that night with their grandparents. We had a really fun evening, talked a lot about politics and education systems in Germany and the US and just had a good time. Next morning I dropped him off at the Autobahn and never heard from him again.

    So tell me. Is this thing of trusting people and trying to help them a morale decision, or is it just the logical thing to do? Is it out of compassion or empathy?
    It's hard for me to see the difference there.
    1. cause it made you feel bad since they felt bad, or cause you felt bad for them?
    Te is generally more generous in material sense, while Fe would have given comfort instead.

    if you were Ti, you would prefer to answer these questions your asking by your own conclusions, but you rather find someone else who knows more? (Te)
    also Fi is when you stop thinking about choices, and just pick whatever makes _you_ feel best.

    2. yes, thats.. well, enfp's always so optimistic. or at least thats the image you want others to have of you.
    also might i add, my sister (enfp 7 year old) also does that.
    at this situation Ti is likely screaming in their head: "GOD WHYYY GOD WHYY WHYY DID I NOT THINK OF THIS BEFOOOORRREEE!!11"
    after we have screamed a bit in our heads, we go back to wherever we came from unless you build the confidence to show others how reckless you were by not thinking of it before hand.
    maybe thats what was going on in your friends head before you headed for the stranger?
    he prob thought when you headed to talk to that stranger: "NOOO YOU IDIOT!"

    3. talking thoughts aloud discussion are very Te style. while ti/fe would prefer to talk about it, we do it to log the information to think it while we speak of something else and when we are away from the person, in our heads we still keep thinking of them and next time tell our conclusions.
    Te just says whatever is on your mind out loud.
    while Ti has an answer to.. almost everything.
    although ive learned to do that.. i often.. almost always have to correct myself the next time i meet after re thinking what ive said.

    im very empathic, but i wont share if theres nothing in it for me IF it costs me something of material. if no cost, im glad to help however i can. (usually its good time im after but that includes some skill i can develop by doing so. for example, the skill to .. to have fun. yeah its complex skill! =)

    EDIT:
    but as like i side, using Ti to talk about thoughts on the instant.. leads to a lot of correcting afterwards as its not meant to be used aloud, but its a necessary skill anyways if youra wanting to talk about anything which includes answers to anything.
    many Ti's have the problem of thinking for too long before answering, but ive learned to think the same time i speak and correct mistakes by recalling the discussion after it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Fluxkom View Post
    Ah well fuck this.
    I'm ENTP 7w8.
    Deal with it!
    Just confirmed that with the paragon test, which has been very clear towards T instead of F.

    E: 9
    N: 10
    T: 9
    P: 10

    My quest to find my type has finally come to an end.
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