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    Quote Originally Posted by Tyrinth View Post
    To be more specific, it's usually the overwhelming theme of being a caring person. I mean I'm no monster, but more often than not I am pretty indifferent to people, and I often come across as insensitive. In addition "Sees the good in everything" seems to be a recurring theme, which totally made me laugh.
    These tests and anecdotes often describe the type examples assuming the person to be optimistic, altruistic, happy, etc., because a lot of people reading these just want to hear nice things about themselves, so best to make it sound nice. However, if the assumption is false, then obviously the description is inaccurate. Anyone (INFPs, ESTJs, ENTPs, anyone) can be pessimistic, misanthropic, unhappy, etc.

    So there are theoretically descriptions that could be written for the Dark Side of the INFP, while still being just as INFP as the Bright Side. No MBTI letters or type functions are inherently happy or good-natured.


    On MBTI vs. Type functions: They are kind of two separate theories, even though based on the same ideas, so it is possible for you to "accept" one theory while rejecting the other theory. Many people prefer one over the other; others prefer a reconciled combination of the two.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Cimarron View Post
    These tests and anecdotes often describe the type examples assuming the person to be optimistic, altruistic, happy, etc., because a lot of people reading these just want to hear nice things about themselves, so best to make it sound nice. However, if the assumption is false, then obviously the description is inaccurate. Anyone (INFPs, ESTJs, ENTPs, anyone) can be pessimistic, misanthropic, unhappy, etc.

    So there are theoretically descriptions that could be written for the Dark Side of the INFP, while still being just as INFP as the Bright Side. No MBTI letters or type functions are inherently happy or good-natured.


    On MBTI vs. Type functions: They are kind of two separate theories, even though based on the same ideas, so it is possible for you to "accept" one theory while rejecting the other theory. Many people prefer one over the other; others prefer a reconciled combination of the two.
    I kind of suspected the whole, looking at the most optimistic example possible, thing when it came to the descriptions. It's nice to see my assumption confirmed by others.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Tyrinth View Post
    I have been trying to decide upon my type for a while now, and have a few threads on the matter. In one of those threads where I was debating upon whether I was an INTP or INFP someone suggested that I decide based on what cognitive functions came naturally to me rather than MBTI tests or type descriptions...

    Anyways, I am almost positive that my two most used functions are introverted feeling and extraverted intuition. This aligns with the type of INFP apparently. However, I identify very little with the common descriptions of an INFP.

    Is this kind of contradiction common? Does this mean I actually am an INFP despite not identifying with the type descriptions?

    I don't have a good understanding of the Myers-Briggs or whatever so clarification from someone who understands it a bit better would be appreciated.
    Are these internet type-descriptions of the INFP? Those are very sketchy and these days often dominated by "function talk."

    The older and original MBTI does not sound like internet descriptions of types. I'm going to select some text at random from a book I have with me, just one paragraph about the INFP. You can decide how well it fits you personally.

    "INFPs decide early on what is important to them, what is of value. They tend to rely on themselves for direction and are reticent to ask others for help. They would rather do things themselves, to make sure they are done properly. INFPs have found this to be both a strength and a curse. Depending only on themselves and being careful not to show mistakes to others is important. One INFP child was curious about the meaning of the D.C. in Washington, D.C. She was sure that everyone else knew and that she should know also. Having grown up in Brooklyn, she pondered a while and then decided D.C. means "Da Capitol."

    So what do you think? Does that describe you at all? Not in the details but just regarding the self-reliance aspect.

    I've noticed that INFPs have the greatest problem with self-identifying type. ENFPs are a close second.
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    Quote Originally Posted by mal12345 View Post
    Are these internet type-descriptions of the INFP? Those are very sketchy and these days often dominated by "function talk."

    The older and original MBTI does not sound like internet descriptions of types. I'm going to select some text at random from a book I have with me, just one paragraph about the INFP. You can decide how well it fits you personally.

    "INFPs decide early on what is important to them, what is of value. They tend to rely on themselves for direction and are reticent to ask others for help. They would rather do things themselves, to make sure they are done properly. INFPs have found this to be both a strength and a curse. Depending only on themselves and being careful not to show mistakes to others is important. One INFP child was curious about the meaning of the D.C. in Washington, D.C. She was sure that everyone else knew and that she should know also. Having grown up in Brooklyn, she pondered a while and then decided D.C. means "Da Capitol."

    So what do you think? Does that describe you at all? Not in the details but just regarding the self-reliance aspect.

    I've noticed that INFPs have the greatest problem with self-identifying type. ENFPs are a close second.
    Hah, yes, I am referring to the internet descriptions.

    And that paragraph was actually a lot closer to me than most of the ones I have read online. Maybe I should go out and get a book about them rather than relying on the web.
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    Self reliance is only for INFPs?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tyrinth View Post
    Hah, yes, I am referring to the internet descriptions.

    And that paragraph was actually a lot closer to me than most of the ones I have read online. Maybe I should go out and get a book about them rather than relying on the web.
    The web is highly unreliable, and that includes this forum as well as the other typology forums. Yes, that includes me too, when discussing functions and MBTI together, as if they were the same thing. I only do it to get along with others around these parts. It is much better to keep the two theories separate. With functions we end up talking in highly abstract terms, as you've seen. Fi or Ti dom = tertiary Si, blah blah. There's no reality left.

    The quote I gave came from LifeTypes.
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    Quote Originally Posted by LunaLuminosity View Post
    Self reliance is only for INFPs?
    The quote does not use the term "self-reliance." But let's assume that ALL Introverts like to "do things for themselves." In that case, every Introverted profile should indicate this, in the context of their other interests. INFPs figure out their own values; INTPs like to figure out their own ideas; ISTJs like to figure out their own strategies; etc.

    Now you will say, "Extraverts don't like to do things for themselves?" But it's just an assumption to be judged as such.
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    Quote Originally Posted by mal12345 View Post
    The quote does not use the term "self-reliance." But let's assume that ALL Introverts like to "do things for themselves." In that case, every Introverted profile should indicate this, in the context of their other interests. INFPs figure out their own values; INTPs like to figure out their own ideas; ISTJs like to figure out their own strategies; etc.

    Now you will say, "Extraverts don't like to do things for themselves?" But it's just an assumption to be judged as such.
    You used the term "self-reliance," and asked how well Tyrinth related to the description on that aspect alone, which kind of suggests that you think it has some relevance to being INFP or not.... this is what I wanted to explore.

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    Quote Originally Posted by LunaLuminosity View Post
    You used the term "self-reliance," and asked how well Tyrinth related to the description on that aspect alone, which kind of suggests that you think it has some relevance to being INFP or not.... this is what I wanted to explore.
    "Self-reliance" isn't the best way to put it, and that's not what the description said. Here's a snippet from the ISTJ description at http://www.personalitypage.com/ISTJ.html :

    "The ISTJ will work for long periods of time and put tremendous amounts of energy into doing any task which they see as important to fulfilling a goal. However, they will resist putting energy into things which don't make sense to them, or for which they can't see a practical application. They prefer to work alone, but work well in teams when the situation demands it. They like to be accountable for their actions, and enjoy being in positions of authority."

    Self-reliance has a meaning specific to the ISTJ's particular value-system.
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