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    Quote Originally Posted by mal12345 View Post
    I should point out that these three types share some commonalities. But that, irregardless of all three of them being "loyal," that term is going to have a different meaning for some or all of them. "Loyalty" is going to have a different connotation for the ISTJ, especially in the context of "traditions" which you crossed out (the formatting wasn't saved when I copied and pasted).

    In this view, if you cross out "traditions" then "loyalty" should be thrown out along with it. But that's not to cross out "loyalty" for the other two types, because the motives differ. An ISTJ is loyal out of a sense of duty and tradition. So you can't have loyalty, for that type, without duty and tradition to support it. The other types will be loyal for other reasons. Their motives may have more to do with, oh, needing to be needed, or something like that. You fill in the blank as to where your motives for loyalty lie. And you're not a J type anyway, right? At least we can be assured knowing that that has nothing to do with your loyalty.
    Overall, ISTJ doesn't seem very likely to me, but don't assume I'm not dutiful. My dutifulness is the only reason I get anything done.

    Conscientiousness..........16
    Self-Efficacy............6
    Orderliness..............64
    Dutifulness..............83
    Achievement-Striving.....1
    Self-Discipline..........1
    Cautiousness.............86

    (These results are from a few weeks ago.)

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    Quote Originally Posted by RevlisZero View Post
    Overall, ISTJ doesn't seem very likely to me, but don't assume I'm not dutiful. My dutifulness is the only reason I get anything done.

    Conscientiousness..........16
    Self-Efficacy............6
    Orderliness..............64
    Dutifulness..............83
    Achievement-Striving.....1
    Self-Discipline..........1
    Cautiousness.............86

    (These results are from a few weeks ago.)
    I'm going outside of temperament talk to state that, even though I only know you from your posts, you are not nearly pugnacious enough to be an ISTJ. In fact, you don't come across like that in the least bit.

    There, I described the ISTJ with an adjective that fits the type, no need for pondering complicated temperament theories.

    Those scores (and other things you've said about yourself) look like you have Dependent Personality Disorder. But it doesn't tell me what your loyalty is about.

    Edit - I take that back. The Wiki article on Dependent Personality Disorder states, "They will be loyal, unquestioning, and affectionate. They will be tender and considerate toward those upon whom they depend."
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    Dependent Personality Disorder:
    1. has difficulty making everyday decisions without an excessive amount of advice and reassurance from others
    2. needs others to assume responsibility for most major areas of his or her life
    3. has difficulty expressing disagreement with others because of fear of loss of support or approval. Note: does not include realistic fears of retribution.
    4. has difficulty initiating projects or doing things on his or her own (because of a lack of self-confidence in judgment or abilities rather than a lack of motivation or energy)
    5. goes to excessive lengths to obtain nurturance and support from others, to the point of volunteering to do things that are unpleasant
    6. feels uncomfortable or helpless when alone because of exaggerated fears of being unable to care for himself or herself
    urgently seeks another relationship as a source of care and support when a close relationship ends
    is unrealistically preoccupied with fears of being left to take care of himself or herself
    Your high score on the "cautiousness" scale also looks like some paranoia is involved.
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    Quote Originally Posted by mal12345 View Post
    I'm going outside of temperament talk to state that, even though I only know you from your posts, you are not nearly pugnacious enough to be an ISTJ. In fact, you don't come across like that in the least bit.

    There, I described the ISTJ with an adjective that fits the type, no need for pondering complicated temperament theories.

    Those scores (and other things you've said about yourself) look like you have Dependent Personality Disorder. But it doesn't tell me what your loyalty is about.

    Edit - I take that back. The Wiki article on Dependent Personality Disorder states, "They will be loyal, unquestioning, and affectionate. They will be tender and considerate toward those upon whom they depend."
    Yeah, I do have a couple dependent traits, but I definitely don't come close to fitting the diagnostic criteria for DPD. Schizoid PD, on the other hand, is a strong possibility.

    Extraversion...............1
    Friendliness.............1
    Gregariousness...........1
    Assertiveness............1
    Activity Level...........1
    Excitement-Seeking.......0
    Cheerfulness.............0

    ^I think those results are too high. They should all be zeros.

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    Quote Originally Posted by RevlisZero View Post
    Yeah, I do have a couple dependent traits, but I definitely don't come close to fitting the diagnostic criteria for DPD. Schizoid PD, on the other hand, is a strong possibility.

    Extraversion...............1
    Friendliness.............1
    Gregariousness...........1
    Assertiveness............1
    Activity Level...........1
    Excitement-Seeking.......0
    Cheerfulness.............0

    ^I think those results are too high. They should all be zeros.
    Any number of personality disorders can fit, and it's not unusual for a type 9 to be schizoidal. Type 9s are also Dependent, and this need can be confused with loyalty.

    Edit - Down toward the bottom of the DPD Wiki page, it lists "ineffectual dependant
    including schizoid features" as a Millon subtype for DPD.
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    If loyalty is one of the two Dependent traits which you have, I agree that it doesn't fit the criteria for a diagnosis of Dependent. I'm just trying to point out that 'loyalty' has a different meaning for this or that context. An ISTJ is dependent upon tradition, authority, etc. That's the form of loyalty that fits the ISTJ.
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    Why are we talking about personality disorders? Unless @RevlisZero is significantly functionally impaired and has a lot of distress and discomfort, chances are she doesn't have one.

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    Quote Originally Posted by mal12345 View Post
    If loyalty is one of the two Dependent traits which you have, I agree that it doesn't fit the criteria for a diagnosis of Dependent. I'm just trying to point out that 'loyalty' has a different meaning for this or that context. An ISTJ is dependent upon tradition, authority, etc. That's the form of loyalty that fits the ISTJ.
    Loyalty isn't actually part of the diagnostic criteria for dependent PD. Anyways, I'm loyal to people I respect and care about, not tradition and authority, so you're right, probably not ISTJ.

    Quote Originally Posted by Glycerine View Post
    Why are we talking about personality disorders? Unless @RevlisZero is significantly functionally impaired and has a lot of distress and discomfort, chances are she doesn't have one.
    Yeah, we should probably save the personality disorder discussion for my blog.

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    Sorry, it's just one of those things that truly hits a nerve with me. Labeling someone with a personality disorder is a very serious matter because the criteria is about the severity.

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    Good call, Glycerine.
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