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    Can I just say that I've always seen Te in you? I mean, even if it's just the way you seemingly need to order your functions (in your signature). That sort of ordering or organising (especially something as foggy as cognitive functions) is so Te. Of course, this doesn't mean only Te-users do that, but it's just an observation I wanted to share.
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    Quote Originally Posted by RevlisZero View Post
    I'm reading the Ne description from greenlightwiki, and I actually can't relate to it very well at all. I think I relate more to Ni.
    A strong tertiary means your auxiliary Ne is weak.
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    I could be INFP with weak Ne and strong Si, or I could be ISFP with weak Se and strong Ni, or I could be ISTJ with weak Te and strong Fi. Supposedly, ISTJ fits best best with my temperament (melancholy compulsive in inclusion).

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    Quote Originally Posted by RevlisZero View Post
    I could be INFP with weak Ne and strong Si, or I could be ISFP with weak Se and strong Ni, or I could be ISTJ with weak Te and strong Fi. Supposedly, ISTJ fits best best with my temperament (melancholy compulsive in inclusion).
    You're mixing two different but related systems: MBTI and Jung. This whole thing seems almost designed to confuse. And I know "they" say that ISTJ is a melancholy type, but I've never seen good evidence of this. Which temperament fits INFP best?
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    Quote Originally Posted by RevlisZero View Post
    I'm reading the Ne description from greenlightwiki, and I actually can't relate to it very well at all. I think I relate more to Ni.
    Could be "left-brain alternative" (which is taught by the same theory on that site).

    Quote Originally Posted by mal12345 View Post
    You're mixing two different but related systems: MBTI and Jung. This whole thing seems almost designed to confuse. And I know "they" say that ISTJ is a melancholy type, but I've never seen good evidence of this. Which temperament fits INFP best?
    Melancholy is defined as introverted and task-focused. The Interaction Styles use introversion, of course, and directive is task focused. In the Keirsey groups, SJ is cooperative and structure focused, which is a parallel. (And Keirsey even said the SJ was the Melancholic).

    INFP's tend to be Phlegmatic and/or Supine (the latter not being familiar to four temperament and type theories), but does provide an emotional energythe Phlegmatic doesn't have.

    HeShe (oops, almost forgot again) did say his Control was Supine Phlegmatic or something like that, and with Melancholy Compulsive in Inclusion, would suggest INFJ*, but then he did not identify with Fe and Ni and instead began mentioning Fi and Te and got strongest Si. So I began leaning towards ISTJ, with a strong tertiary. (And yes, we do not start with the tertiary in typing someone, but if we see two functions like Si/Fi of the same attitude that are strong, then we can begin considering a strong or "inflated" tertiary).

    Though she does always seem to get very low on Te. Though Vizzy says he sees a lot of Te.

    So obviously, none of these tests is perfect, and it seems things are not lining up completely. So I can't be completely sure, but ISTJ seems like it could fit. I don't get NJ vibes from her at all, though, and I doubt SFP as well. NFP I would think would fit also, from what I have seen, though, I don't think it matches up with a Melancholy; and let alone Compulsive at that (Which is basically the mos purest, radical form of the temperament). Since that is not based on the actual test, but probably from just reading the profiles from the site I link to, it could be wrong. The actual test is designed to pick out the true temperament need, regardless of how the person feels or is behaving at the moment.

    *(And then, forgot to mention in our discussion; Supine Phlegmatic is on the boundary of the Melancholy range; so I allow that that Control could fall on the SJ side, and it would basically end up as a preference between N and S, and J and P, which is what we are basically seeing here! I've had others like this as well!)
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    Quote Originally Posted by Eric B View Post
    Could be "left-brain alternative" (which is taught by the same theory on that site).

    Melancholy is defined as introverted and task-focused. The Interaction Styles use introversion, of course, and directive is task focused. In the Keirsey groups, SJ is cooperative and structure focused, which is a parallel. (And Keirsey even said the SJ was the Melancholic).
    This is all interesting stuff, but I would like to focus on this. According to Wikipedia on the "Four Temperaments,"

    Melancholic
    The melancholic temperament is fundamentally introverted and thoughtful. Melancholic people often were perceived as very (or overly) pondering and considerate, getting rather worried when they could not be on time for events. Melancholics can be highly creative in activities such as poetry and art - and can become preoccupied with the tragedy and cruelty in the world. Often they are perfectionists. They are self-reliant and independent; one negative part of being a melancholic is that they can get so involved in what they are doing they forget to think of others.
    How do you account for the fact that this article says melancholics are "introverted and thoughtful," while you claim they are "introverted and task-focused"?

    Now to my mind, when you say "task-focused" you are simply going in circles. You saw the T in ISTJ and correctly thought "task-focused" (versus "people-oriented"), and then tried to claim that Melancholics must also be "task-focused." This is circular reasoning at its finest, you are just supporting your conclusion with the conclusion itself.
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    "Thoughtful" there is just a general description; not the specific temperament factor I was referring to. Task focus is what comes out in the type theories as "directive" and "structure focused". Pure Melancholies are both! (And I don't see where "thoughtful" would contradict "task-focused" to begin with).
    No, I didn't just look at "T", because NTP's are the exception in the Interaction Styles, being informative instead of directive (though they are still structure focused).
    APS Profile: Inclusion: e/w=1/6 (Supine) |Control: e/w=7/3 (Choleric) |Affection: e/w=1/9 (Supine)
    Ti 54.3 | Ne 47.3 | Si 37.8 | Fe 17.7 | Te 22.5 | Ni 13.4 | Se 18.9 | Fi 27.9

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    INFP vs. ISFP

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    While they are equally as focused on personal values and an individualistic sense of morality as INFPs, the major difference in the application of dominant Fi is that ISFPs do not analyze and reanalyze their values through hypothetical or theoretical extensions of their imaginations. Unless they are directly contributing to solving a real moral dilemma that affects them or a friend or loved one personally, they see little value in hashing and rehashing all the different possible applications of their values when there is so much immediately available information to deal with in the real world of tangible sensations and emotions.
    I used to analyze my values sometimes, but I haven't been doing that lately. I went through a phase where philosophy and morality were fascinating, but lately I've kind of stopped seeing the point, to some extent. Just be compassionate and considerate, and that should be good enough. There's no need to make it more complicated than it is.

    I would do one for ISTJ, but I can't find anything contrasting IxFP and ISTJ.

    ISTJ
    Quiet, serious, earn success by thoroughness and dependability. Practical, matter-of-fact, realistic, and responsible. Decide logically what should be done and work toward it steadily, regardless of distractions. Take pleasure in making everything orderly and organized – their work, their home, their life. Value traditions and loyalty.

    ISFP
    Quiet, friendly, sensitive, and kind. Enjoy the present moment, what’s going on around them. Like to have their own space and to work within their own time frame. Loyal and committed to their values and to people who are important to them. Dislike disagreements and conflicts, do not force their opinions or values on others.

    INFP
    Idealistic, loyal to their values and to people who are important to them. Want an external life that is congruent with their values. Curious, quick to see possibilities, can be catalysts for implementing ideas. Seek to understand people and to help them fulfill their potential. Adaptable, flexible, and accepting unless a value is threatened.
    The above is based on how I've always been, not just how I am at this moment.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Eric B View Post
    "Thoughtful" there is just a general description; not the specific temperament factor I was referring to. Task focus is what comes out in the type theories as "directive" and "structure focused". Pure Melancholies are both! (And I don't see where "thoughtful" would contradict "task-focused" to begin with).
    No, I didn't just look at "T", because NTP's are the exception in the Interaction Styles, being informative instead of directive (though they are still structure focused).
    Once again, that is circular, no matter what you looked at. You're just saying that "directive" and "structure focused" are pure Melancholic traits simply because ISTJ's have those traits.
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    Quote Originally Posted by RevlisZero View Post
    INFP vs. ISFP

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    I used to analyze my values sometimes, but I haven't been doing that lately. I went through a phase where philosophy and morality were fascinating, but lately I've kind of stopped seeing the point, to some extent. Just be compassionate and considerate, and that should be good enough. There's no need to make it more complicated than it is.

    I would do one for ISTJ, but I can't find anything contrasting IxFP and ISTJ.
    ISTJ
    Quiet, serious, earn success by thoroughness and dependability. Practical, matter-of-fact, realistic, and responsible. Decide logically what should be done and work toward it steadily, regardless of distractions. Take pleasure in making everything orderly and organized – their work, their home, their life. Value traditions and loyalty.

    ISFP
    Quiet, friendly, sensitive, and kind. Enjoy the present moment, what’s going on around them. Like to have their own space and to work within their own time frame. Loyal and committed to their values and to people who are important to them. Dislike disagreements and conflicts, do not force their opinions or values on others.

    INFP
    Idealistic, loyal to their values and to people who are important to them. Want an external life that is congruent with their values. Curious, quick to see possibilities, can be catalysts for implementing ideas. Seek to understand people and to help them fulfill their potential. Adaptable, flexible, and accepting unless a value is threatened.
    I should point out that these three types share some commonalities. But that, irregardless of all three of them being "loyal," that term is going to have a different meaning for some or all of them. "Loyalty" is going to have a different connotation for the ISTJ, especially in the context of "traditions" which you crossed out (the formatting wasn't saved when I copied and pasted). So you're obviously not loyal to traditions.

    Therefore, in this view, if you cross out "traditions" then "loyalty" should be thrown out along with it. But that's not to cross out "loyalty" for the other two types, because the motives differ. An ISTJ is loyal out of a sense of duty and tradition. So you can't have loyalty, for that type, without duty and tradition to support it. The other types will be loyal for other reasons. Their motives may have more to do with, oh, needing to be needed, or something like that, as a loyalty to others. You fill in the blank as to where your motives for loyalty lie and where your loyalty belongs. And you're not a J type anyway, right? At least we can be assured knowing that that has nothing to do with your loyalty.
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