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    Quote Originally Posted by Eric B View Post
    Per our discussion, he seems to lean towards ISTJ, and the "lazy", "tradition" and "rigid" descriptions are generalized stereotypes. I know ISTJ's who do not fit all those things, and it's due to their upbringings usually.
    A theory I have us that the SJ "Guardian" actually corresponds to the FIRO "Rebel" (aka Melancholy in Control), and this surfaces when the institutions and other things like that SJ's are supposed to uphold, are really screwed up. They rebel, and seek to create their own. The temperamental need is one of stability; not necessarily existing institutions and memories they were brought up in. Those things still can't be too unfavorable to the ego.

    So they might not be all into all that stuff, but will be more open and willing to create their own traditions and memories.

    He does still mention the "responsible and dependable", and that is a clue.

    As for the "storehouse of facts and information" and "random facts", part of it is, if it is dominant, not recognizing this storehouse, because it is so second nature.
    Also, especially in comparison to others, the dominant will be mature, and choose storehouses that are the most important. So I end up appearing to deal in a storehouse of memories and random facts more than many SJ's around me, and they in turn think it's all too trivial. But that's because Si is tertiary for me (and thus "inflates" itself; but it's really a relief function, and not a mature ego preference).
    The only example I can think of where I build a storehouse of information is with learning foreign languages. I seem to learn a lot of words subconsciously, without intending to remember them later. Like for example, one day all of a sudden the Japanese word "saifu" popped up into my head. It was not a word I could recall having learned before, and I didn't know where it came from, but somehow I knew it meant "wallet". I looked it up in the dictionary, and that was indeed what it meant. It was just a word I came across once when looking through a book, and I just happened to remember it. And I get a feel for grammatical structures this way as well. I often find myself wording things a certain way because it just sounds right based on experience, even though I'd never officially learned it before. I don't know if this is really Si or not, but it seems like it could be.

    By the way, I'm actually a girl. (It's okay, everyone thinks I'm a guy at first, and it's my fault really for choosing an apparently masculine name. I bet a lot of members still don't know.)

    Quote Originally Posted by chana View Post
    i like the functions and all but i think people can get too confused by it. if you had to type yourself just based on the dichotomies, i vs e, s vs n, etc what would you choose?
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    Quote Originally Posted by RevlisZero View Post
    This is kind of how I've felt in general lately--a lot of meaninglessness when it comes to social interaction. When I'm walking back from class with a friend, I could say what's on my mind, but there wouldn't really be any point. The only thing it could possibly lead to is more pointless conversation, and since I don't even feel like talking anyways, I stay quiet.
    Could this be Ni at work? "If I say this, she'll say that, been there, done that, there's no point in continuing this pattern...". There's a slight air of omniscience to unhealthy Ni users, I think, which can make them seem/sound paranoid. Just saying.

    You know, Marmie Dearest has mentioned quite a few times an ISTJ 9w1 she knew... If you can find her, it could be worth a shot to hear her description.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Viridian View Post
    Could this be Ni at work? "If I say this, she'll say that, been there, done that, there's no point in continuing this pattern...". There's a slight air of omniscience to unhealthy Ni users, I think, which can make them seem/sound paranoid. Just saying.

    You know, Marmie Dearest has mentioned quite a few times an ISTJ 9w1 she knew... If you can find her, it could be worth a shot to hear her description.
    I think it does sound like Ni, but I assure you I'm not paranoid. I'm naturally very trusting. I really don't feel omniscient either, more like the opposite. Anyways, I need to research Ni.

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    Quote Originally Posted by RevlisZero View Post
    Anyways, I need to research Ni.
    Sadly, that is impossible. You can read definitions and descriptions - nothing more.

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    The way Ni is described, it sounds like magical "aha" moments and gut feelings...This is why I don't understand it. Does Ni not look at external patterns?

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    There are no external patterns. You make them all up.

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    Ooh, I found something.

    Introverted Intuition is the attitude of attunement to what cannot be said, by virtue of the structuring that "saying" requires.

    For example: At work, we don't dare say our true feelings (or we can only say them if they're positive), because we know that sharing them would bring dire economic consequences. There is no other way, because the structure of the workplace (people working cooperatively to get stuff done that they get paid for) requires that people refrain from saying anything that might put their loyalty in doubt. If an accountant, in his office, says that he loves accounting, you view this as meaningless because, well, what else is he going to say? In fact, he might very well hate accounting. You have to be highly attuned to what's really going on in order to read the true meaning of what people say--which is often the opposite of the literal meaning of their words.
    This is definitely something I notice. When people say things, I often realize that they're saying that because they're expected to say it. I notice that much of what I say as well as what others say is dictated by social norms and obligations.

    Introverted Intuition is a way of orienting yourself to your environment by consciously attending to the expected interpretations of things. In this manner of orientation, you hold agnostic about whether those interpretations are true. You view them as expected interpretations, nothing more. Your world is a world of expected interpretations defined by others; you navigate through those interpretations and use them without regard to whether they're true, always keeping the interpretations separate in your mind from the actual objects.
    I tend to withhold judgement and hold many possible interpretations in my mind without committing to any one interpretation.

    Ni is a way of knowing (or at least thinking you know) that bypasses reason, facts, evidence, the expected or intended interpretations of signs, or anything you can point to, simply giving you an awareness or belief that seems indisputably true to you, period. You can't tell by introspection how you got this idea. There is no thought process. There is only tuning into this form of awareness and just knowing.

    For example: You've been interviewing candidates for a job. One of them has all the credentials, and scored the highest on all the company-defined criteria for the job. Another of them was pretty good but not in the same league. You have a sense about the high-scorer, though, that he's bad news, and that the "so-so" one will work out well. You can't point to anything that's let you to this conclusion, you can't justify your belief, but you have this sense just the same. To trust this unjustifiable idea is to orient by introverted intuition.
    Hmm...I don't think I relate to this. I don't rely on gut feelings. I think I have them sometimes, but when I do I look for evidence to support it rather than just go with it.

    Ni is a function that serves the process of "transformation". Transformation is to be considered on many levels (logical, ethical, personal etc.) In many instances, situations are hard to escape or avoid and Ni allows a person to focus on a specific version of themselves so as to minimise a problem or enhance understanding of it.

    Example #1: Those with a habit of not completing their studies, fall into a mindset where they feel justified in not undertaking the workload and are perhaps concerned with pleasing immediate sensations (partying, lounging around etc.) or have personal problems to deal with.

    Once the person has realised the consequences of their laziness, an underlying mindset is discovered as the cause. Whilst every function has a unqiue manner in the solution of a problem, Ni engages the individual with their unconscious thoughts and mindset to focus on a particular trait. "How can I avoid this scenario from happening again?" "What talents of mine can I capitalise on to escape this problem?"

    Such problems are derived from habit/behaviour rather than by natural alignments and they can be solved if the individual chooses to focus on another "version" of themselves, which always existed but never was accessed. Further supporting the notion that Ni is a search for new angles or perspectives, requiring a solid insight to gauge action.

    The common experiences of individuals having to come to their own realisations to truly grasp a problem or change their attitude, has its foundations in the Introverted Intuition function. External data or resources are not enough to create a solution, it requires a transformed way of thinking from the person's past behaviour.
    I think I relate to this.

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    Quote Originally Posted by RevlisZero View Post
    The only example I can think of where I build a storehouse of information is with learning foreign languages. I seem to learn a lot of words subconsciously, without intending to remember them later. Like for example, one day all of a sudden the Japanese word "saifu" popped up into my head. It was not a word I could recall having learned before, and I didn't know where it came from, but somehow I knew it meant "wallet". I looked it up in the dictionary, and that was indeed what it meant. It was just a word I came across once when looking through a book, and I just happened to remember it. And I get a feel for grammatical structures this way as well. I often find myself wording things a certain way because it just sounds right based on experience, even though I'd never officially learned it before. I don't know if this is really Si or not, but it seems like it could be.
    That sounds like it could be good Si.
    By the way, I'm actually a girl. (It's okay, everyone thinks I'm a guy at first, and it's my fault really for choosing an apparently masculine name. I bet a lot of members still don't know.)
    Sorry about that. I wasn't even going particularly by the name; people tend to default to male to me, unless there is some definite sign of femininity (avatar, etc). I assumed Jenocyde was male until I actually met her (And it actually led me to miss the first meetup, as I saw the group from a distance, and did not expect a female).
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    I'm reading the Ne description from greenlightwiki, and I actually can't relate to it very well at all. I think I relate more to Ni.

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    Quote Originally Posted by RevlisZero View Post
    When people say things, I often realize that they're saying that because they're expected to say it. I notice that much of what I say as well as what others say is dictated by social norms and obligations.
    Congratulations, you are not an idiot.

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