Socionics IEE description: [I think it matches JCF ENFP; for the record I don't think I'm an ENFP]
If I think of a new idea with high potential, I start working on it right away, with enthusiasm and energy I don't have later on in the project. I relate completely to a "tendency to be preoccupied with yet unrealized potential"... it is an obsession with the new idea and what it may lead to... an obsession with the unknown. Once I have made enough progress to see where something leads, it's known, and I tend to unintentionally forget about it.IEEs easily become enamoured with new ideas and prospects and tend to start working on them immediately, almost impulsively. The tendency to be preoccupied with yet unrealized potential makes it hard for them to bring existing projects and situations to full completion and materialization. It is easier to start something new than finish something old. When instilled with a sense of opportunity and novelty, the pace at which IEEs begin new undertakings can be almost frightening.
As I said earlier in the thread, I tend to generalize my observations to the point where I don't remember the observations, only the trend. I tend to look for the basic principles instead of memorizing but I thought that was Ti. The rest I said earlier...I tend to live at the intersections of different fields/topics/etc. instead of focusing on one field (I'm kind of a generalist).IEEs need to have quite a bit of free time available to investigate new opportunities, ideas, insights, and people that come along their way. Somehow they manage to keep pursuing these things even when they are overloaded with work and responsibility.
IEEs are "big picture" people: they easily grasp large concepts and effortlessly translate their observations into generalizations and trends. When learning a new subject, understanding the basic principles and how they fit together is more important than rote memorization of facts. They like to combine multiple things and ideas, rather than follow one thing to a logical conclusion. IEEs hate missing opportunities of any sort. They typically love irony because unforeseeable things can puzzle and excite them at the same time.
Socionics Se description:
I'm not sure what is meant by making an impact. I am not very competitive though. Even in an argument or debate I have no desire to win for its own sake. If I'm right but can't articulate myself well, so I don't appear to "win", it's ok. If I'm right but the other person can't refute my argument and instead resorts to insults or threats, that is also ok (provided they don't actually physically hurt me), because my goal is not to "win" but to hold the opinion that is true. If threatened, though, I back down, walk away, and do something else instead. I am very aware of being threatened, I can clearly tell when someone intends to harm me.Se includes the ability to know how much power, force, or influence is latent or required.
Types that value Se are much more comfortable with direct behavior aimed at making an immediate impact. This may at times be perceived as abrasive, particularly by types who do not value Se. There is usually a competitive edge to this style of group interaction, resulting in a more intense atmosphere than that of introverted sensing (Si)-valuing quadras. They appreciate contemplating possibilities only if they feel like they stand to gain something from it, or it has a perceived potential impact on "the real world".
"They appreciate contemplating possibilities only if [...] it has a perceived potential impact on "the real world"."
This is sort of true. I like to think about possibilities for their own sake, but often get into career-oriented phases, where I give more weight to realistic ideas, e.g. potential business opportunity, potential resume-building opportunities (something I could do that I could put on my resume), etc.
I am decent at getting people to work with/help me, but I don't force or coerce them. I try to convince them using reasons, or get them to see the same potential I see... if they see what I see, I think they will agree with me. So I try to show them why I am enthusiastic about a project (for example) and that usually works, meaning I get them to work with me, or I get permission from a person in authority (which is often needed), etc. I try to change the person's mind rationally. I want them to be able to choose rather than be intimidated.Unlike Si, which is about one's subjective sensory experience (how intense or enjoyable it is), Se is about achieving an object of desire. It gives one the ability to influence, bend, and push situations and people in order to achieve such an object, rather than to enjoy the situation one is in.
I don't really want obedience, I would prefer people to work with me. I also don't want to silence people...I would like to hear their suggestions or points of view.Se as a base (1st) function (SLE and SEE) [ESTP and ESFP?]
The individual feels at home among people who are actively doing something and interacting with each other directly (visibly), and is able to organize people, move them around as necessary, and guide them in achieving a specific goal. He or she likes obedience and even subservience in others, since it allows him to "make things happen" more effectively.
He is keenly aware of territorial conflicts and confrontational behavior occurring around him. He very quickly becomes confrontational when others try to make him move or get him to do something in an aggressive or confrontational way. He quickly recognizes when people are trying to get each other to do something or are trying to organize him for some purpose. He also spontaneously uses aggression to achieve his own goals.
He wants to make all decisions himself about what he will do, wear, eat, look like, etc., and resents any attempts by others to make these decisions for him. However, he is willing to make use of other peoples' ideas, advice, and creativity, as long as he plays the most visible role.
He enjoys testing his will in challenging situations and views life as a sort of obstacle course, full of adversity and challenges, that must be weathered and conquered.
I recognize threats directed *at me* fairly easily, but I don't become confrontational, I leave (as I said earlier). I also don't use aggression unless extremely stressed (it's very rare) -- if there is a problem, I bring it up instead of suppressing it, but I don't use aggression.
I do want to make my own decisions about my own life. In a group project, though, my goal is not to be the most visible. I would rather use my own idea, my own insight, etc. and if others are working with me, my own visibility is far less important than my idea.
I view challenges as what they are... Without some adversity, I think it would be too easy, and I wouldn't feel like I was actually accomplishing anything. But I don't see them as challenges to be conquered...when I overcome an obstacle I seldom look back and say, "look what I overcame!"...my focus is usually on further progress.
I was cleaning up some crap and found some old essays from about a year ago. My TA said that I am not connecting the ideas I presented, but I don't know why that is... Is it that I am not good at connecting ideas, or just that I don't want to explain the connections between them? The whole essay was on a small topic and all the ideas were very closely related, I don't think there is much to explain, but apparently my TA wanted me to spell it out for him.
I remember another TA writing something like, "Try to connect the ideas for your reader."
Actually I think I've gotten this not connecting ideas comment on quite a few assignments over the years. I never asked them what they meant, lol.
Later on I'll do these:
Socionics Ne description
Socionics Ne vs. Se
Why Socionics? I've read too many JCF descriptions and I'm hoping these are a little different.