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    Default Why I Am Not An ENTP

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    I took a test and my four top scores were - ESTJ, ENTJ, ESFJ, and ENFJ.

    Detailed - Now to analyze what this means...

    ESTJ - Te Si Ne Fi

    Now this is probably what most people will vehemently reject me being; however, it may be the reason why I actually scored so high on ENTJ. If anything Te and Ne could be clouding my auxiliary function causing such a score. Intuitively we could say that on here it seems more likely that I use Ne instead of Ni.

    My understanding of Ne and Ni will now be explained. Ne is imagining the world in a way that is beyond what the actual substance is, meaning you see something in an object that may not at first glance believe exists. Ni is a vision within yourself, extracting from the environment what is important to our vision. This abstraction is a combination of principles. Fundamental symbols exist within this world, we can observe all these principles as equal or we can extract what we believe is important within all of those that exist and this is what I believe Ni to be.

    The reason why I believe that I use Se instead of Ne is simply because an object in my surroundings is considered to be that object and physically is only that object, but the idea of what the object is not always the same, what it is used for, what it means is not always the same. It changes when necessary. This is also the reason why I believe I don't use Si, because it isn't so much about homeostasis. A personal physical relationship between the object. This is why I believe I lose interest in objects, because it doesn't retain anything personal and it gets "boring".

    So with this analysis I lose both ESTJ and ESFJ... We now have the latter two. ENTJ and ENFJ. We could easily just say I'm an ENFJ because of my apparent use of kindness, a wish for cohesiveness within my relationships. I have learnt to be a good person by my parents, and by my religion when I kept practicing it. They did teach me, but I left it because of the distress it was causing me. I felt... Inauthentic? I can't find the word (it might have been laziness as well which kept me from practicing my religion) I am searching for. There were contradictions and I hated giving up my freewill. I have morals.

    The reason why I don't believe I use Fe. All my coworkers are xSFJ's of some sort. Women and men in some way use it (Fe). They don't like conflict in the work force. It's difficult to survive in this environment, but I find myself trying to cause a disruption and 'toughen' them up because they're being so nice and submissive and I feel like they're lying. They want to be mean, but they're constraining themselves and I find that annoying. If they want something done tell me, don't ask me. Sorry for the rant.

    Te wants organization and I'm not so concerned with organization in everything because it's boring, but also I have been taught control is rarely in my hands and it has hurt me a lot, but it has also defused a great deal of situations. I want control, but I won't just grasp control unless someone else allows me or says they don't want it. It's confusing for me when I read descriptions. These are my thoughts on how I think. Te is objective... Which I have found is impossible as a person to believe. I can't imagine how anything that I am as of now is anything but subjective. I can't tell if people are my main focus. At work I try to talk to friends, but if a job is first then I do the job first and don't wish anyone to bother me until we can relax. When I am not working could careless what's going on, but once I have responsibility I can't help, but get S**t done.

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    You seem to grasp P functions better than J functions, which to me suggests you are a P (whether Pi or Pe dom). That or you're seeing Je with a Si slant, which unfortunately is how it's often portrayed....

    Consider these basic definitions from Psychological Types; which criteria is the focus of your decision making?

    -Sensation is to establish that something exists, thinking tells us what it means, feeling what its value is, and intuition surmises whence it comes and whither it goes.
    -Feeling is primarily a process....that imparts to the content a definite value in the sense of acceptance or rejection.....
    -In the same way that thinking organizes the contents of consciousness under concepts, feeling arranges them according to their value.
    -Thinking is a psychological function which, following its own laws, brings the contents....into conceptual connection with one another.


    You could say thinking defines what something is (unrelated to people; it is what it is whether people exist or not) & feeling determines significance (often in relation to being human).
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    Quote Originally Posted by OrangeAppled View Post
    You seem to grasp P functions better than J functions, which to me suggests you are a P (whether Pi or Pe dom). That or you're seeing Je with a Si slant, which unfortunately is how it's often portrayed....

    Consider these basic definitions from Psychological Types; which criteria is the focus of your decision making?

    -Sensation is to establish that something exists, thinking tells us what it means, feeling what its value is, and intuition surmises whence it comes and whither it goes.
    -Feeling is primarily a process....that imparts to the content a definite value in the sense of acceptance or rejection.....
    -In the same way that thinking organizes the contents of consciousness under concepts, feeling arranges them according to their value.
    -Thinking is a psychological function which, following its own laws, brings the contents....into conceptual connection with one another.


    You could say thinking defines what something is (unrelated to people; it is what it is whether people exist or not) & feeling determines significance (often in relation to being human).
    This definition makes me think T is first. Sensation is definitely not last, but I can't tell if Intuition comes before. I'd say I love establishing reality... Dealing with what is is fascinating to me, but rearranging the reality into a unique structure seems even cooler (maybe I am forcing that sentiment?), which would make feeling last, in theory. I really enjoy this description of the functions.

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    you seem like an ENTP to me
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    Quote Originally Posted by Elfboy View Post
    you seem like an ENTP to me
    Maybe (... Probably). Then I must use my Ti in tangent quiet often, if not immediately after every thought because rarely do I have a free-flow of thought.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ReflecTcelfeR View Post
    Maybe (... Probably). Then I must use my Ti in tangent quiet often, if not immediately after every thought because rarely do I have a free-flow of thought.
    you seem more like a Ti user to me than an Fi user. just based off of the people on this forum, I've noticed that ENFPs and ENTPs give off completely different vibes. your vibes are much more NTP-ish. ENFPs tend to be a little more intense while ENTPs are more detached and observational/data collecting.
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    I'm going to guess ENTJ. I had to force myself to read your explanations (no offence) even though they sound logical and intuitive, which probably means Ni. I grasp Ne immediately even by speed-reading, but Ni takes work for me to read. (I'm strong to extreme with Ne).

    ENTJs can sometimes come across as ENFJs, but only in snippets. It's part of the reason they are often very successful - they are very organized, but they also can have great social skills.

    I'm not a typology expert, though, so I could be wrong.

    Edit: Here's a question for you - how important is efficiency to you? Not just at work, but in everything you do?

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    Quote Originally Posted by redcheerio View Post
    I'm going to guess ENTJ. I had to force myself to read your explanations (no offence) even though they sound logical and intuitive, which probably means Ni. I grasp Ne immediately even by speed-reading, but Ni takes work for me to read. (I'm strong to extreme with Ne).

    ENTJs can sometimes come across as ENFJs, but only in snippets. It's part of the reason they are often very successful - they are very organized, but they also can have great social skills.

    I'm not a typology expert, though, so I could be wrong.

    Edit: Here's a question for you - how important is efficiency to you? Not just at work, but in everything you do?
    how many ENTJs do you know? I'm not saying your wrong, but I definitely have not noticed this about the ENTJs I've known. I could see them mistyping as INTJs or ESTJs, perhaps ENTP if they had some sort of connection to 7 but definitely not ENFJs. the only ENTJs I've noticed looking like ENFJs are very healthy ENTJ 8s integrated to 2. other than that, ENFJs are warm, Fe-ish and almost feel like they're your mom when they aren't; ENTJs are cool, objective and it's clear that they are there for business (even if they're not and they're at a family reunion lol).
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    Quote Originally Posted by Elfboy View Post
    how many ENTJs do you know? I'm not saying your wrong, but I definitely have not noticed this about the ENTJs I've known. I could see them mistyping as INTJs or ESTJs, perhaps ENTP if they had some sort of connection to 7 but definitely not ENFJs. the only ENTJs I've noticed looking like ENFJs are very healthy ENTJ 8s integrated to 2. other than that, ENFJs are warm, Fe-ish and almost feel like they're your mom when they aren't; ENTJs are cool, objective and it's clear that they are there for business (even if they're not and they're at a family reunion lol).
    That's why I said only in snippets. And OK, the ENTJs I know of, I know online. We have a few ENTJs on the ENTP forum. ENFJ was probably the wrong comparison.

    What I meant was that they seem to have good enough social skills to rise quickly at work. They seem to be a very successful type to be. A few of them have confessed to sucking up to the bosses, as they see that as an important necessity for success at work. ENTPs, on the other hand, understand the importance of social skills, but often stubbornly refuse to accept it because it grates almost offensively against Ti's desire for and value of pure logic, often until they're over 35 or 40 yo. However, ENTPs who develop their Fe don't have quite the same problem accepting the importance of social skills.

    There's a good chance I'm wrong anyway, since he doesn't really strike me as ENTJ. His explanation just sounded Ni to me, and ENTJ was the closest fit to everything else he described. Then again, he doesn't strike me as any of the other types he listed, either, so I'm at a loss, sorry.

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    I still, secretly, think you are an ENTP. You're young enough that your tert function hasn't started emerging completely yet, which may be what is throwing you off a bit.

    Not that I have known for an exceptionally long time by any means... but I remember reading posts of yours before I started talking to you and I always just "got" that ENTP kind of vibe from you. I have had probably a good dozen ENTP friends over the years and while all are obviously unique and weirder in different ways ( ) than others... They all still have this sort of flavor to how they speak and interact that is very similar.

    Anyways, just my same two cents that I toss in and in and in for you over and over ad naseum.

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