User Tag List

123 Last

Results 1 to 10 of 37

Thread: ENTP or ENFP?

  1. #1
    Senior Member
    Join Date
    Aug 2011
    MBTI
    ENTP
    Posts
    238

    Default ENTP or ENFP?

    Hey guys! This has been bugging me for... well, about 2 hours now . For a while now, and after doing god knows how many tests, I found that I wasn't able to tell whether or not I was an ENTJ or an ENTP, since both are pretty good, but not quite exact descriptions of my own personal style. Recently, I've pretty much figured out my whole P/J divide: I prefer to observe all possibilities whenever I can afford to, but when push comes to shove and the situation calls for it, I'd tend to find making quick decisions pretty easy. Since I preferred the one style, it seemed fairly obvious that I was Perceiving more than Judging, so that cleared that little question up quite nicely .

    Now, just on a whim earlier, I decided to check out some ENFP descriptions, which, surprisingly sounded almost exactly like me, down to the letter: the only difference is that I tend to like debates, seeing them as an opportunity to test my own beliefs and principles (something which is typically ENTP), and I'm not overly concerned with being in line with traditional morality (good vs evil); however, I subscribe to my own, shall we say, alternative moral principles quite closely. I also prefer to experience the world emotionally rather than fully logically, though I would much rather use rational judgment to make decisions and make sense of the world. On top of that, I have that trademark ENFP flair for the dramatic, a passionate love of life, strangely magnetic personality, and an uncanny ability to read and understand people a lot better than most of them realize from spending short amounts of time with them. However, this doesn't translate into actually caring much about people; I really like using this talent for my own benefit, which doesn't sound very ENFP at all; however, it is still in line with my own moral principles, just not with traditional ones. However, this doesn't mean that I don't like people or take an interest in anyone; it just means that I don't get overly attached to them in the long run. Also, I tend to lean towards cynicism in my assessment of people, but I always try remain optimistic, but grounded in reality whenever making a decision about the future; in other words, I'm idealistic, but not naive.

    I'm rambling a bit, but basically, everything I've read about ENFPs sounds exactly like me, minus the whole altruistic, "goodwill towards all" schtick; I still think that this is an overly narrow way of perceiving it, but I wanted to hear some more opinions. I am always driven by a search for higher meaning, but I've heard that this is also common in ENTPs as well. I also fit quite well as an ENTP, but the ENTP traits don't resonate as deeply as the ENFP ones do. What do you guys think?

  2. #2
    Senior Member Silveresque's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jul 2011
    Posts
    1,280

    Default

    I think relying on descriptions alone can easily lead to mistypings, as most descriptions use vague generalizations. Have you heard of cognitive functions? If you haven't, you can read about them here.

    ENTP has these functions: Ne, Ti, Fe, Si
    ENFP has these functions: Ne, Fi, Te, Si

    It seems the main difference between the two is Fi versus Ti. Fi is generally used to judge value and worth, especially in moral decisions, while Ti is generally used to analyze systems and principals. However, based on my experience, either function can be used like the other, so the two can be difficult to distinguish. To make a long explanation short, the most fundamental difference between the two functions is that Fi uses subjective/personal analysis, while Ti uses objective/impersonal analysis. Both form subjective values/principles from their analysis, which is why they can appear identical, especially when analyzing situations where emotion is not involved.

    In other words, if you prefer to analyze subjectively, taking your own feelings into account, then you're probably an ENFP. But if you prefer to detach in order to analyze objectively, then you're probably an ENTP.

  3. #3
    Senior Member
    Join Date
    Aug 2011
    MBTI
    ENTP
    Posts
    238

    Default

    That's the thing, though; I have absolutely no idea if I'm analyzing things objectively or subjectively. I like to think I am being objective, but I don't fully trust my own answers on personality tests, since I was testing as ENTJ for a while, when I'm definitely ENxP. I have a feeling that this is the same type of situation, but I do know that I tend to consider rationality and logical decisions before right and wrong. However, it's hard to know just how much of what you do is detached rationality, and how much is subjectively based on personal feelings; most people tend to include personal feelings to some degree whenever they make decisions.

    I did actually try a cognitive function test; it said I was likely ENTP, but like I said before, I don't fully trust my own answers, since I've mistyped as ENTJ, ESTJ, and ESTP before. I've never gotten ENFP, but that could be because I've been ignoring the impact that my own personal feelings have on my decisions. The main reason I'd say I might not be ENFP is because I'm not as open and touchy-feely as the type is supposed to be; it usually takes a lot to reveal anything about myself to people. Plus, being traditionally moral isn't as important to me as being right, though like I said before, I have my own moral principles that operate separately from traditional ones, which are just as important to me as being right.

  4. #4
    Post Human Post Qlip's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jul 2010
    MBTI
    ENFP
    Enneagram
    4w5 sp/sx
    Posts
    9,490

    Default

    Quote Originally Posted by Lord Guess View Post
    That's the thing, though; I have absolutely no idea if I'm analyzing things objectively or subjectively. I like to think I am being objective, but I don't fully trust my own answers on personality tests, since I was testing as ENTJ for a while, when I'm definitely ENxP. I have a feeling that this is the same type of situation, but I do know that I tend to consider rationality and logical decisions before right and wrong. However, it's hard to know just how much of what you do is detached rationality, and how much is subjectively based on personal feelings; most people tend to include personal feelings to some degree whenever they make decisions.

    I did actually try a cognitive function test; it said I was likely ENTP, but like I said before, I don't fully trust my own answers, since I've mistyped as ENTJ, ESTJ, and ESTP before. I've never gotten ENFP, but that could be because I've been ignoring the impact that my own personal feelings have on my decisions. The main reason I'd say I might not be ENFP is because I'm not as open and touchy-feely as the type is supposed to be; it usually takes a lot to reveal anything about myself to people. Plus, being traditionally moral isn't as important to me as being right, though like I said before, I have my own moral principles that operate separately from traditional ones, which are just as important to me as being right.
    I usually stay out of typing threads, because I am bad at it. This sounds like Fi to me.

  5. #5
    Senior Member
    Join Date
    Aug 2011
    MBTI
    ENTP
    Posts
    238

    Default

    Quote Originally Posted by Qlip View Post
    I usually stay out of typing threads, because I am bad at it. This sounds like Fi to me.
    Interesting. Please elaborate.

  6. #6
    Post Human Post Qlip's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jul 2010
    MBTI
    ENFP
    Enneagram
    4w5 sp/sx
    Posts
    9,490

    Default

    Quote Originally Posted by Lord Guess View Post
    Interesting. Please elaborate.
    Well, it depends entirely on what you mean by 'being right' as in you think it's more important to 'be right'. Can you elaborate on that? Perhaps give an example of where you depart from traditional morals.

  7. #7
    Senior Member
    Join Date
    Aug 2011
    MBTI
    ENTP
    Posts
    238

    Default

    Being right usually means from a logical/ rational standpoint, though I might forgo this if the logical/rational thing isn't as important in the situation. The way I depart from traditional morals is more or less that good and evil have less to do with my decisions and thoughts than other principles (which would take a little while to explain here), however, these principles, 99% of the time, advocate taking the rational path. If they don't, however, I'd decide based on how much of a consequence there would be in ignoring the rational decision, and how much against my principles the rational decision would be.

  8. #8
    Post Human Post Qlip's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jul 2010
    MBTI
    ENFP
    Enneagram
    4w5 sp/sx
    Posts
    9,490

    Default

    Quote Originally Posted by Lord Guess View Post
    Being right usually means from a logical/ rational standpoint, though I might forgo this if the logical/rational thing isn't as important in the situation. The way I depart from traditional morals is more or less that good and evil have less to do with my decisions and thoughts than other principles (which would take a little while to explain here), however, these principles, 99% of the time, advocate taking the rational path. If they don't, however, I'd decide based on how much of a consequence there would be in ignoring the rational decision, and how much against my principles the rational decision would be.
    Actually, I think it would be illustrative to hear what your 'other principals' are. I'm still trying to assess if your morality is Fi, or Ti-Fe. FYI, it's my understanding that ENFP men can take a different direction than the ENFP description, because ENFP expression is suspect in a male in our society.

  9. #9
    Senior Member
    Join Date
    Aug 2011
    MBTI
    ENTP
    Posts
    238

    Default

    Fair enough. Well, first of all, just to get it out of the way, I define good and evil like this: "good" is an action which results in a greater median happiness (unfortunately, happiness isn't quantifiable ), or prevents a greater median loss of happiness, while evil is an action which results in greater median suffering, or prevents a median gain in happiness. However (and this is why I'm not entirely sure I'm ENFP), my own personal moral code is not outwardly focused on the benefit of everyone in the group, but is inherently individualistic, or rather, it values individual achievement, personal goals, higher principles (of which rationality is one, though not the highest) and personal drive and force of will above all. That doesn't mean that acting in the benefit of the group does not fall in line with my principles, it's just that placing the needs of the group as a whole is only acting in line with the principle if it is being done in the service of a higher goal. What this higher goal may be can be a whole list of things; to use a traditionally moral example, personal attachment rather than a general altruism, or, to go a darker route, revenge, or for a neutral way of looking at it, survival, or also what I call the law of drama (also quite complicated; I might explain it somewhere else, as this is a recent principle I have come up with, and I'd rather get it down properly before I put it in writing). Survival, the law of drama, and personal will, drive and charisma (these all come under the law of drama, which, as I said, is still somewhat in a fledgling stage) are what I value above all, not a simple good/evil dichotomy, which I believe is both limiting and a distortion of what humans truly value and strive for in a moral sense.

    I do think I might be ENFP simply because my principles are not overly concerned with rationality and objective criteria, but with an emotional experience of the world; however, in deciding these principles for myself, I have taken a rational, logical approach toward categorizing an emotional experience. Also, in everyday life, when making decisions, I tend to go for what the rational, logical decision would be; however, this is simply because an emotional response is usually inappropriate to the situation, and interferes with the principle of survival, which is concerned with the greatest benefit for the individual. In short, I'm unsure of where I would place, since rationality is included in my principles as one of the highest values, and hence makes it difficult to understand if I'm being rational because I'm detaching myself, or because it's a personal feeling and value which I adhere to.

    (Whew! See, I told you it'd be long )

  10. #10
    Senior Member Silveresque's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jul 2011
    Posts
    1,280

    Default

    I can't judge whether you're using Ti or Fi, that's something only you can decide because you're the only one who can know exactly how you think and what you base your decisions upon. But being a Ti user myself, I can tell you that nothing you've said is incompatible with Ti-Fe. Perhaps this thread can help you: http://www.typologycentral.com/forum...916-fi-ti.html

Similar Threads

  1. Am I ENTP or ENFP?
    By Tzatziki in forum What's my Type?
    Replies: 60
    Last Post: 03-09-2010, 04:32 PM
  2. I hate it when people do this. ENTP or ENFP?
    By BlahBlahNounBlah in forum What's my Type?
    Replies: 15
    Last Post: 10-22-2009, 12:33 PM
  3. Argh...ENTP or ENFP?
    By Synthetic Darkness in forum What's my Type?
    Replies: 11
    Last Post: 07-30-2009, 07:44 AM
  4. Mi novio: ENTP or ENFP?
    By ZiL in forum What's my Type?
    Replies: 17
    Last Post: 06-23-2009, 10:28 AM
  5. [MBTItm] Am I an ENTP or ENFP?
    By HeraldofHope in forum The NT Rationale (ENTP, INTP, ENTJ, INTJ)
    Replies: 14
    Last Post: 06-18-2008, 08:08 PM

Posting Permissions

  • You may not post new threads
  • You may not post replies
  • You may not post attachments
  • You may not edit your posts
Single Sign On provided by vBSSO