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    Senior Member amerellis's Avatar
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    @mrcockburn : yeah that is really not true. When we were younger me and my INTP sister would often share daydreams/fantasies we'd had and her's were just like you would expect a fantasy to be: adventurous, exciting, romantic . . .

    @stalemate : It could be . . . I would tend to think so . . .

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    Quote Originally Posted by stalemate View Post
    I've been spending a lot of time lately thinking about how our wake/sleep cycle would be perceived by an alien race that didn't need sleep at all. I tried to be them in my head and I saw us as being activated by the sun like when the sun shines on us we run around a lot and move stuff around and get really busy and then it gets dark and we stop. And then I took it all out into like a filmstrip view of sunny and dark where I could navigate around it forward and back through time. I figured these fictional aliens would see us as pretty pointless, just rearranging the earth during daylight hours.

    Is that NF style fantasy/daydream?
    Very NF to me -- I think of the same kinds of things.
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    What does the sorting hat say for me?
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    Senior Member amerellis's Avatar
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    Quote Originally Posted by SuchIrony View Post
    What does the sorting hat say for me?
    hehe Gryffindor!
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    INTP and I'm pretty sure cause I saw your vid and you remind me of my sister.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Wind-up Rex View Post
    I think my intuition about you is correct. I feel you have an unique perspective on analytical psychology, and a lot to potentially contribute around here. Based on your answer, though, some of your understanding of the theories you're trying to work off of is a bit flawed. I know you've already heard this, so I'm not going to beat a dead horse. I'd only like to suggest that some of your newer ideas will go over better if you can tie it back to the accepted theories by addressing yourself directly to a flaw you see in the assumptions or conclusions of the ideas that are already out there. Or make up something entirely new so people can appreciate an original thought without quibbling over how what your saying does or doesn't fit in with someone else's bullshit.

    It's always hard out there for the creative types. Hang in there, amerellis! Say what's on your mind, and take no fuckin prisoners!
    lol I always liked you

    I'm not trying to sound arrogant but what about my typing do you think is flawed? What makes it impossible?

    Also, I thought I was pointing out a flaw in the system, that order of functions doesn't necessarily mean a list of function development from greatest to least.

    And I couldn't really invent entirely new ideas because my ideas are based on MBTI, they are just a further development and insight into that theory.

    Sorry, I didn't respond sooner. I was going to but then I kind of got to second guessing myself.

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    Quote Originally Posted by amerellis View Post
    hehe Gryffindor!
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    INTP and I'm pretty sure cause I saw your vid and you remind me of my sister.
    Thanks.

    You're right on the type except I think I'd placed in Ravenclaw. Griffyndor's pretty cool though.
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    Quote Originally Posted by amerellis View Post
    I'm not trying to sound arrogant but what about my typing do you think is flawed? What makes it impossible?
    I thought your understanding of the original MBTI theory might be a bit flawed based on the definition you gave of a Dominant Function. I didn't say anything about how you type people, nor that anything was impossible.

    Also, I thought I was pointing out a flaw in the system, that order of functions doesn't necessarily mean a list of function development from greatest to least.
    I've read a couple of your other threads. If you have said this, it wasn't said explicitly enough for me to catch on to. When you're writing a criticism, you generally want to lay out the other person's theory or argument as explicitly as possible. I won't say assume your audience is dumb, but start writing from the perspective that they won't be able to infer your starting point from your conclusion alone. This is especially the case where intuition is concerned. So in the case of the critique you just mentioned you'll have to state:

    1) The clearest and best explanation you can give for how Myers-Briggs define function order in their theory.
    2) Why this is incorrect.
    3) What you offer as an alternative, and why this alternative is an improvement on the accepted definition.

    You cannot skip any of these steps or your alternate definition will appear arbitrary or possibly incomprehensible to anyone else.

    And I couldn't really invent entirely new ideas because my ideas are based on MBTI, they are just a further development and insight into that theory.
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    Quote Originally Posted by mrcockburn View Post
    Well...different types of fantasy.

    NTs will daydream about some kind of gadget/chemical creation/technical stuff.

    I can only speak for myself, but NFs may daydream more about weird abstract stuff like semiotics, writing music in their heads, their abstract career goals, "what ifs" when applied to daily situations (ie, if President Obama walked onto a mall escalator and kicked a baby inside a stroller, would he get his ass kicked", etc etc!

    T's are more detail-oriented/tech specific. NFs more conceptual.
    While I can agree with all of those, I also enjoy things like Harry Potter, Chronicles of Narnia, etc etc. What do you mean 'more conceptual'?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Antimony View Post
    While I can agree with all of those, I also enjoy things like Harry Potter, Chronicles of Narnia, etc etc. What do you mean 'more conceptual'?
    I think it's interesting to compare authors like Madeleine L'Engle (INFP) vs Ursula LeGuin (INTJ), for example. Both wrote fantasy (although LeGuin also writes scifi and both wrote in other genres).

    They both approach similar fantasy through different sensibilities. L'Engle's stories really revolve more around the inter/intrapersonal aspects of the characters, even despite the fantasy trappings... and you can see where she just swipes ideas to suit her intrapersonal story (such as mitochondria) without caring as much about the actual scientific reality of what those things are, it's subsumed to her area of interest.

    LeGuin also deals with intra/interpersonal issues, but there's a detachment about it, and a real sense of grounding in the "way the world works" in the external sense. Personal values/preferences are subsumed to making the world consistent and following observable patterns. L'Engle was much more willing to fudge/fluff on those matters, where LeGuin incorporated that reality into how she wrote her story.

    Generalizing again, I think N "appears" more similar to F than to T. T looks more S. I think this is why the "weirder/more abstracted" the N gets, the more likely someone will see it as F-like.
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    Quote Originally Posted by amerellis View Post
    lol I always liked you

    I'm not trying to sound arrogant but what about my typing do you think is flawed? What makes it impossible?

    Also, I thought I was pointing out a flaw in the system, that order of functions doesn't necessarily mean a list of function development from greatest to least.

    And I couldn't really invent entirely new ideas because my ideas are based on MBTI, they are just a further development and insight into that theory.

    Sorry, I didn't respond sooner. I was going to but then I kind of got to second guessing myself.
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