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    Default 4w5 so/sp or 5w4 sx/sp?

    I've originally typed myself as 4w5 so/sp, but I'm now starting to doubt my typing because certain aspects don't seem to fit, and in many ways I relate to 5w4 sx/sp.

    Here's what doesn't fit for my type:
    - I don't express much emotion and I'm not sure how intense my feelings are
    - I'm not hypersensitive or envious
    - I have little to no sense of community (goes against soc dom)

    Here's what does fit for my type:
    - I am concerned with having an identity
    - I am very imaginative and daydream often
    - I care too much about what others think of me (soc dom)
    - I am very withdrawn and reclusive (but this could also fit with 5)

    I am considering the possibility of being sx dom because right now my biggest desire is to find someone who is like me and able to truly understand me. When I look at general descriptions of soc dom stackings, they don't seem to fit me at all because, as much as I want to fit in, I don't feel comfortable in groups. I feel more at ease in one-on-one situations.

    Type 5 could fit me, but I'm not sure whether 4 or 5 fits me better. Identity and competence are both important to me, and I'm not sure which is more important. However, when I look at the levels of development, 4's descriptions sound more like me. I'm not sure I relate to the existential angst part of the 5 description, though. I kind of agree with existential ideas that life has no inherent meaning, but I've never felt angst from this. I'm also not sure whether I relate more to 4's shame or 5's anxiety, although I'm leaning more toward shame.

    Please ask me questions to help determine my type! I'm feeling kind of lost and confused right now...

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    Have you considered the So/Sx variant? They prefer one-to-one to groups.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Hazashin View Post
    Have you considered the So/Sx variant? They prefer one-to-one to groups.
    I can't find a description of 4w5 so/sx, but wouldn't that be a more extroverted stacking? I am extremely introverted, and also I don't think I have sp last. Actually, I've considered that I might be sp dom as well.

    I just took a test on SimilarMinds and these are my results:
    sx |||||||||||||||||| 54%
    so |||||||||||||||||| 58%
    sp |||||||||||||||||||||||| 78%

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    Cool, I found a site that gives descriptions for all the instinctual variants: http://www.ocean-moonshine.net/e1428...position=12:12

    All the variant descriptions for type 4 and type 5 except so/sx and sx/so sound like they could fit me. Now I'm really lost...

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    Quote Originally Posted by RevlisZero View Post
    Cool, I found a site that gives descriptions for all the instinctual variants: http://www.ocean-moonshine.net/e1428...position=12:12

    All the variant descriptions for type 4 and type 5 except so/sx and sx/so sound like they could fit me. Now I'm really lost...
    Hmm... then maybe you seem like Social because you are a 4 and you are in fact Sp/Sx? Do you like that description?
    MBTI: INFP
    Enneagram: 6w7, phobic
    Tritype: 6-9-2
    Instinctual Variant: Sx/Sp
    Temperament: Pure Supine
    D&D Alignment: Neutral Good
    Political Stance: Solid Liberal
    Religious Views: Atheist

    Fi > Ne > Ti > Fe > Se > Si > Te > Ni

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    Quote Originally Posted by Hazashin View Post
    Hmm... then maybe you seem like Social because you are a 4 and you are in fact Sp/Sx? Do you like that description?
    I'm actually reading the sp/sx descriptions right now and am strongly considering it. It's still a possibility that I could be an so/sp or sx/sp, but right now I'm leaning toward sp/sx. I'm still not sure about whether I'm a 4 or a 5 though. I've been feeling more and more lately that the type 4 description doesn't fully describe me.

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    Quote Originally Posted by RevlisZero View Post
    Here's what doesn't fit for my type:
    - I don't express much emotion and I'm not sure how intense my feelings are
    4's can often bury their true feelings especially if they wing 5.

    - I'm not hypersensitive or envious
    Leaning indication of 5 as opposed to 4.

    - I have little to no sense of community (goes against soc dom)
    soc last, maybe. Could you explain this in detail?

    - I am concerned with having an identity
    4, although that can fit somewhat with 5w4

    - I am very imaginative and daydream often
    5w4's can do this as well

    - I care too much about what others think of me (soc dom)
    Could be related to 4

    - I am very withdrawn and reclusive (but this could also fit with 5)
    Fits very well with 4 and 5.

    I am considering the possibility of being sx dom because right now my biggest desire is to find someone who is like me and able to truly understand me. When I look at general descriptions of soc dom stackings, they don't seem to fit me at all because, as much as I want to fit in, I don't feel comfortable in groups. I feel more at ease in one-on-one situations.
    You're probably sx/sp then, although from what I understand sx/so value one on one interaction as well.

    Type 5 could fit me, but I'm not sure whether 4 or 5 fits me better. Identity and competence are both important to me, and I'm not sure which is more important. However, when I look at the levels of development, 4's descriptions sound more like me. I'm not sure I relate to the existential angst part of the 5 description, though. I kind of agree with existential ideas that life has no inherent meaning, but I've never felt angst from this. I'm also not sure whether I relate more to 4's shame or 5's anxiety, although I'm leaning more toward shame.

    Please ask me questions to help determine my type! I'm feeling kind of lost and confused right now...
    Here's some descriptions that may help you discern between the various types:

    http://theenneagram.blogspot.com/2007/09/type-4.html
    http://theenneagram.blogspot.com/2007/09/type-5.html

    Hope that helps

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    Now this is interesting. I read all the instinctual variant descriptions on that site for types 4 and 5. Here's how well each fits me:

    4 sx - not at all
    4 so - not at all
    4 sp - not at all
    5 sx - 100% fit
    5 so - maybe
    5 sp - maybe

    From this it sounds like I'm a 5w4 sx/sp. This totally turns what I originally thought I was upside down. I'm not a 4w5, I'm a 5w4, and I'm not so/sp, I'm sx/sp (the complete opposite). Well, I think I'm satisfied with this typing. It's kind of hard though to think of myself as a five now since I was so sure for so long that I was a four

    Thanks! That was very helpful!

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    Here are lists of famous 4w5 So/Sp and famous 5w4 Sx/Sp. Wich one of theses lists do you relate the most with?

    4w5 So/Sp
    Marylin Manson http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i3ue6JLPQLA
    Ingmar Bergman http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sjGw9p--t7A
    Jose Saramago http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4XDmsXWlDqE
    David Sylvian http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=quA_m_tYqUY
    Iris Murdoch http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_-9fsZW_OZI
    Daniel Clowes http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m79ednpufOU
    Faris Badwin http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_3lZcqqc9Yc
    Lisa Gerrard http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CVjmSfUEnJI
    Elfriede Jelinek http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D3L3B8XlClA
    Virginia Woolf(voice only) http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E8czs8v6PuI

    Fictional
    Ivan Karamazov http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6TH4zHqbzVM

    5w4 Sx/Sp
    Kurt Cobain http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Wqzn9F0GI1o
    Sinead O'Connor http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3ExY8IPx454
    Trent Reznor http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xr8FXnur5Z4
    David Croneberg http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZbMsQI7MLW0
    Bjork http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hlzixwWyrwU
    Roger Waters http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I2C2GOizswU
    Daniel Day-Lewis http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=m__YjM8gg3s
    Louise Gluck http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tRJ1D2DpXpo
    Italo Calvino http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PIvoweRgiwE
    Michelangelo Antonioni http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GeU0GlKL94E
    Tilda Swinton http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f-OWANK5lrQ
    Béla Bartók http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2Es88Z--QfY
    Marina Abramovic http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UODaRxt8Zuw
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    Quote Originally Posted by Savage Idealist View Post
    4's can often bury their true feelings especially if they wing 5.
    What? Never. They always intensify their feelings in depth. Don't bury them.
    EsTP 6w7 Sx/Sp

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