4w5 so/sp or 5w4 sx/sp?

[Silveresque]

I've originally typed myself as 4w5 so/sp, but I'm now starting to doubt my typing because certain aspects don't seem to fit, and in many ways I relate to 5w4 sx/sp.

Here's what doesn't fit for my type:
- I don't express much emotion and I'm not sure how intense my feelings are
- I'm not hypersensitive or envious
- I have little to no sense of community (goes against soc dom)

Here's what does fit for my type:
- I am concerned with having an identity
- I am very imaginative and daydream often
- I care too much about what others think of me (soc dom)
- I am very withdrawn and reclusive (but this could also fit with 5)

I am considering the possibility of being sx dom because right now my biggest desire is to find someone who is like me and able to truly understand me. When I look at general descriptions of soc dom stackings, they don't seem to fit me at all because, as much as I want to fit in, I don't feel comfortable in groups. I feel more at ease in one-on-one situations.

Type 5 could fit me, but I'm not sure whether 4 or 5 fits me better. Identity and competence are both important to me, and I'm not sure which is more important. However, when I look at the levels of development, 4's descriptions sound more like me. I'm not sure I relate to the existential angst part of the 5 description, though. I kind of agree with existential ideas that life has no inherent meaning, but I've never felt angst from this. I'm also not sure whether I relate more to 4's shame or 5's anxiety, although I'm leaning more toward shame.

Please ask me questions to help determine my type! I'm feeling kind of lost and confused right now...

 

[Hazashin]

Have you considered the So/Sx variant? They prefer one-to-one to groups.

 

[Silveresque]

Have you considered the So/Sx variant? They prefer one-to-one to groups.

I can't find a description of 4w5 so/sx, but wouldn't that be a more extroverted stacking? I am extremely introverted, and also I don't think I have sp last. Actually, I've considered that I might be sp dom as well.

I just took a test on SimilarMinds and these are my results:
sx |||||||||||||||||| 54%
so |||||||||||||||||| 58%
sp |||||||||||||||||||||||| 78%

 

[Silveresque]

Cool, I found a site that gives descriptions for all the instinctual variants: http://www.ocean-moonshine.net/e142857369/index.php?&MMN_position=12:12

All the variant descriptions for type 4 and type 5 except so/sx and sx/so sound like they could fit me. Now I'm really lost...

 

[Hazashin]

Cool, I found a site that gives descriptions for all the instinctual variants: http://www.ocean-moonshine.net/e142857369/index.php?&MMN_position=12:12

All the variant descriptions for type 4 and type 5 except so/sx and sx/so sound like they could fit me. Now I'm really lost...

Hmm... then maybe you seem like Social because you are a 4 and you are in fact Sp/Sx? Do you like that description?

 

[Silveresque]

Hmm... then maybe you seem like Social because you are a 4 and you are in fact Sp/Sx? Do you like that description?

I'm actually reading the sp/sx descriptions right now and am strongly considering it. It's still a possibility that I could be an so/sp or sx/sp, but right now I'm leaning toward sp/sx. I'm still not sure about whether I'm a 4 or a 5 though. I've been feeling more and more lately that the type 4 description doesn't fully describe me.

 

[Savage Idealist]

Here's what doesn't fit for my type:
- I don't express much emotion and I'm not sure how intense my feelings are

4's can often bury their true feelings especially if they wing 5.

- I'm not hypersensitive or envious

Leaning indication of 5 as opposed to 4.

- I have little to no sense of community (goes against soc dom)

soc last, maybe. Could you explain this in detail?

- I am concerned with having an identity

4, although that can fit somewhat with 5w4

- I am very imaginative and daydream often

5w4's can do this as well

- I care too much about what others think of me (soc dom)

Could be related to 4

- I am very withdrawn and reclusive (but this could also fit with 5)

Fits very well with 4 and 5.

I am considering the possibility of being sx dom because right now my biggest desire is to find someone who is like me and able to truly understand me. When I look at general descriptions of soc dom stackings, they don't seem to fit me at all because, as much as I want to fit in, I don't feel comfortable in groups. I feel more at ease in one-on-one situations.

You're probably sx/sp then, although from what I understand sx/so value one on one interaction as well.

Type 5 could fit me, but I'm not sure whether 4 or 5 fits me better. Identity and competence are both important to me, and I'm not sure which is more important. However, when I look at the levels of development, 4's descriptions sound more like me. I'm not sure I relate to the existential angst part of the 5 description, though. I kind of agree with existential ideas that life has no inherent meaning, but I've never felt angst from this. I'm also not sure whether I relate more to 4's shame or 5's anxiety, although I'm leaning more toward shame.

Please ask me questions to help determine my type! I'm feeling kind of lost and confused right now...

Here's some descriptions that may help you discern between the various types:

http://theenneagram.blogspot.com/2007/09/type-4.html
http://theenneagram.blogspot.com/2007/09/type-5.html

Hope that helps

 

[Silveresque]

Now this is interesting. I read all the instinctual variant descriptions on that site for types 4 and 5. Here's how well each fits me:

4 sx - not at all
4 so - not at all
4 sp - not at all
5 sx - 100% fit
5 so - maybe
5 sp - maybe

From this it sounds like I'm a 5w4 sx/sp. This totally turns what I originally thought I was upside down. I'm not a 4w5, I'm a 5w4, and I'm not so/sp, I'm sx/sp (the complete opposite). Well, I think I'm satisfied with this typing. It's kind of hard though to think of myself as a five now since I was so sure for so long that I was a four

Thanks! That was very helpful!

 

[Speed Gavroche]

Here are lists of famous 4w5 So/Sp and famous 5w4 Sx/Sp. Wich one of theses lists do you relate the most with?

4w5 So/Sp
Marylin Manson http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i3ue6JLPQLA
Ingmar Bergman http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sjGw9p--t7A
Jose Saramago http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4XDmsXWlDqE
David Sylvian http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=quA_m_tYqUY
Iris Murdoch http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_-9fsZW_OZI
Daniel Clowes http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m79ednpufOU
Faris Badwin http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_3lZcqqc9Yc
Lisa Gerrard http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CVjmSfUEnJI
Elfriede Jelinek http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D3L3B8XlClA
Virginia Woolf(voice only) http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E8czs8v6PuI

Fictional
Ivan Karamazov http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6TH4zHqbzVM

5w4 Sx/Sp
Kurt Cobain http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Wqzn9F0GI1o
Sinead O'Connor http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3ExY8IPx454
Trent Reznor http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xr8FXnur5Z4
David Croneberg http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZbMsQI7MLW0
Bjork http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hlzixwWyrwU
Roger Waters http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I2C2GOizswU
Daniel Day-Lewis http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=m__YjM8gg3s
Louise Gluck http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tRJ1D2DpXpo
Italo Calvino http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PIvoweRgiwE
Michelangelo Antonioni http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GeU0GlKL94E
Tilda Swinton http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f-OWANK5lrQ
Béla Bartók http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2Es88Z--QfY
Marina Abramovic http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UODaRxt8Zuw

 

[Speed Gavroche]

4's can often bury their true feelings especially if they wing 5.

What? Never. They always intensify their feelings in depth. Don't bury them.

 

[sleuthiness]

Good luck being a five. Ha Ha.

You're getting there, Speedy.

 

[iwakar]

What? Never. They always intensify their feelings in depth. Don't bury them.

No, not always. That habit lessens with age/maturity as the merits of logic and objectivity begin to take root.

 

[Speed Gavroche]

No, not always. That habit lessens with age/maturity as the merits of logic and objectivity begin to take root.

With maturity, yes, but it's definetly not a reflex to for 4 to bury them.

 

[iwakar]

With maturity, yes, but it's definetly not a reflex to for 4 to bury them.

You used the word always about 4w5s and I am disagreeing. I'm not addressing the 'burying' comment. I'm referring to deliberately amplifying particular emotional states; that does not seem to be the hallmark of a 4w5, but I believe rather a 4w3.

 

[Speed Gavroche]

You used the word always about 4w5s and I am disagreeing. I'm not addressing the 'burying' comment. I'm referring to deliberately amplifying particular emotional states; that does not seem to be the hallmark of a 4w5, but I believe rather a 4w3.

It depends how you see the "intensify thing", I think. I think 4w3 intensify this by extroversion, glamor, competition and flaboyant eccentrisml while 4w5s intensify it more by withdrawing, growing in depth and exploring the dark side of human nature.

 

[iwakar]

It depends how you see the "intensify thing", I think. I think 4w3 intensify this by extroversion, glamor, competition and flaboyant eccentrisml while 4w5s intensify it more by withdrawing, growing in depth and exploring the dark side of human nature.

Agreed. There seems to be an 'event apex' where the subtypes either expand or contract.

 

[Savage Idealist]

Now this is interesting. I read all the instinctual variant descriptions on that site for types 4 and 5. Here's how well each fits me:

4 sx - not at all
4 so - not at all
4 sp - not at all
5 sx - 100% fit
5 so - maybe
5 sp - maybe

From this it sounds like I'm a 5w4 sx/sp. This totally turns what I originally thought I was upside down. I'm not a 4w5, I'm a 5w4, and I'm not so/sp, I'm sx/sp (the complete opposite). Well, I think I'm satisfied with this typing. It's kind of hard though to think of myself as a five now since I was so sure for so long that I was a four

Indeed, I've switched enneagram types several times and there's always a strange feeling associated with moving onto another type; it's like moving into a new house or experiencing a new change.

Thanks! That was very helpful!

You're welcome.

What? Never. They always intensify their feelings in depth. Don't bury them.

Sometimes they do:

Level 5 (Average - The Level of Interpersonal Control): To stay in touch with feelings, they interiorize everything, taking everything personally, but become self-absorbed and introverted, moody and hypersensitive, shy and self-conscious, unable to be spontaneous or to "get out of themselves." Stay withdrawn to protect their self-image and to buy time to sort out feelings.

Although of course this is evident only for less than healthy 4's, and those whom wing 5 (5's introversion temperes the 4's expressivness to a degree). 4w3's on the other hand tend to always be slightly more extraverted (although I imagine if they become hypersenetive and overly concerned with image to the point of irrationality thay may become reclusive and hidden for a certain amount of time.

 

[Sunny Ghost]

if you're an INTP, i'd think 5w4 more likely.