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    Only type 3, 6 and 9 go through this much trouble trying to determine their type. It's fairly evident you are not a 9. I haven't seen mal's reasoning for you being a 6w5, but my guess is 3w4.

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    Quote Originally Posted by unsung View Post
    Only type 3, 6 and 9 go through this much trouble trying to determine their type.
    At least we agree on this. I'll fill you in briefly on the sum of my reasoning.

    In Elf's comments I've seen too much evidence of bouncing up and down levels for him to be anything but a Six. When he originally replied that he was more independent than some wishy-washy loyalist Six, I pointed out to him that Riso describes the 6w5 as the fiercely independent wing of the type Six. I have given similar rebuttals to everything Elf had to say about my explanations.

    In the long run, my call boils down to Elf's own autobiography back at the beginning of the same thread. Sometimes he seems like a Three, but that is simply Six deterioration to Three at level six ("arrogance and high-handedness.")

    The unhealthy 3w4 wavers between "ego-inflation" and "self-doubt." Not doubt about type, the mind-set of the 3w4 at level six experiences peaks and valleys consisting of over-confident self-aggrandizing compensation and moments of severe self-doubt.
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    Quote Originally Posted by mal12345 View Post
    At least we agree on this. I'll fill you in briefly on the sum of my reasoning.

    In Elf's comments I've seen too much evidence of bouncing up and down levels for him to be anything but a Six. When he originally replied that he was more independent than some wishy-washy loyalist Six, I pointed out to him that Riso describes the 6w5 as the fiercely independent wing of the type Six. I have given similar rebuttals to everything Elf had to say about my explanations.

    In the long run, my call boils down to Elf's own autobiography back at the beginning of the same thread. Sometimes he seems like a Three, but that is simply Six deterioration to Three at level six ("arrogance and high-handedness.")

    The unhealthy 3w4 wavers between "ego-inflation" and "self-doubt." Not doubt about type, the mind-set of the 3w4 at level six experiences peaks and valleys consisting of over-confident self-aggrandizing compensation and moments of severe self-doubt.
    I'm a cold, icy bitch under stress. "If you value your life, then I must politely ask you to leave" I don't know what type this would relate to though (stress 5 or 1 perhaps?)
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    you give the impression of being more compliant like an Fe user.
    Damnit, you're right! This is why I can't tell it is Fi or Fe! T_T I just relate to both well. The thing is, I'm much more compliant then when I was a kid. This might come as a shock to you, but, as a kid, I was very TJ-ish at times (actually, even xSTJ-ish). It may not seem like it now, but I was. What Te is visible now comes out when I'm trying to prove my point and/or that I'm right. I was worse when I was a kid though. Like, I was all about "this is right and this is wrong!" I'd flip out if people didn't play by the rules or did things "right." I was a stickler for the rules. Here, let me show you some psychological test results/result comments from when I was 7/8 years old:

    - "Some results did indicate elavated symptoms of depression and anxiety."

    - "Clinically significant: hyperactivity, depression, withdrawal, adaptability; at risk areas: aggression, atypicality, attention problems, social skills, leadership, study skills"

    (I am DEFINITELY no longer aggressive anymore. Quite the opposite, actually...)

    - "Parent - clincally significant: hyperactivity, attention problems, adaptability; at risk: aggression, anxiety, depression, social skills, leadership"

    - "At risk: attitude towards teachers, atypicality, focus of control, anxiety, depression, sense of inadequacy, interpersonal relationships, self-esteem
    Clinically significant: social stress, self-reliance"

    - "In identifying the specific reason for the referral his teacher, Mrs. Pruden, stated that 'Taylor consistently refues to start activities that require written expression and needs constant redirection to stay on task.'"

    - "She also indicated that Taylor 'doesn't like to participate in physical activities; he whines and complains when expected to cooperate with a team at recess.'"

    (That doesn't seem like Fe to me...)

    - "Taylor is described by his stepmother as smart, loving, funny, and creative. She noted that Taylor can be very moody."

    (I don't see how she thought I was creative. Well, I might have been, but I'm definitely not now.)

    - "The following behavior characteristics were marked by Mrs. [my last name] as being descriptive of Taylor:

    - argues
    - cries
    - complains/whines
    - fearful/anxious
    - stubborn
    - negative
    - shy or timid
    - temper tantrums
    - perfectionistic (this is a Te trait I still possess)
    - impulsive (I'm not like that at all anymore.)
    - dependent
    - friendly
    - withdrawn
    - restless
    - has nightmares
    - gives up easily
    - overly active"

    - "Taylor is described by his classroom teacher as a child who initiates conversations with others (soo not true anymore), participates in class dicussions, and has a good vocabulary. He has strong math concepts (not so much anymore), enjoys science and hands-on activites and also enjoys reading fantasy/fiction stories related to magic and special powers (I hardly read fiction at all anymore). He displays adequate fine-motor skills but he is less coordinated in gross motor areas. His teacher also indicated that Taylor has limited social skills, is frequently inattentive, has a high activity level, and appears overly self-conscious."

    As you can see, I was not FP-looking like I look like now, but I still possess over half of those traits. I can't deny that I'm depressive, anxious, withdrawing, unadaptable, dependent, self-conscious, frustrated with written expression, socially inept, perfectionistic, and moody. Basically, the only difference now is that I'm WAY more aware of other people's feelings and I try not to hurt them. Plus, I'm not much for rules now (I'm actually a strong libertarian).

    I now realize that they are "useful but changeable mechanisms, and, ideally, they can maintain the general social order and protect human rights. I do not see them (or believe they should, rather) as 'absolute 'that must be obeyed without question." "I am able to accept that everyone has differing views and that people are separate entities from society and don't hold grudges against those who hold views I don't agree with. I understand that people's own perspectives may take precedence over society, and rules are of relative importance."

    (I said this in my thread.)

    And, oh, did I mention I'm a friends-first guy?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Elfboy View Post
    I'm a cold, icy bitch under stress. "If you value your life, then I must politely ask you to leave" I don't know what type this would relate to though (stress 5 or 1 perhaps?)
    Probably the Three would be the most depersonalized.
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    Quote Originally Posted by mal12345 View Post
    The difference between ESTJ and ENFP is considerable. You might as well be a split personality.
    It's not as big as you think.

    An NFP ego has an STJ id and vice-versa.

    When you live with a type you get to know these things and socionics prescribes the same phenomenon.

    Just as an NTP ego has an SFJ id.

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    Quote Originally Posted by InvisibleJim View Post
    It's not as big as you think.

    An NFP ego has an STJ id and vice-versa.

    When you live with a type you get to know these things and socionics prescribes the same phenomenon.

    Just as an NTP ego has an SFJ id.
    The difference between the id and ego is considerable.
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    Quote Originally Posted by mal12345 View Post
    The difference between the id and ego is considerable.
    True and the interaction is also not to be ignored.

    As I said, Hashasin is an ISFP and he was feeling the effects of developing id making him appear like a 'very very' J as a child.

    Observe the 'totally different person/totally foreign country' perspective on the experience.

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    Quote Originally Posted by InvisibleJim View Post
    True and the interaction is also not to be ignored.

    As I said, Hashasin is an ISFP and he was feeling the effects of developing id making him appear like a 'very very' J as a child.

    Observe the 'totally different person/totally foreign country' perspective on the experience.
    Type changes as we advance into maturity. I see some ADHD characteristics in his description. I would say his interest in fantasy as a child is an intuitive trait, except someone will inevitably come along and say that its "really tertiary" or "inferior" or whatever. Typology itself impinges upon the realm of fantasy.

    I don't see any reason for some of it being "id" rather than "super-ego."
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    Quote Originally Posted by mal12345 View Post
    Type changes as we advance into maturity. I see some ADHD characteristics in his description. I would say his interest in fantasy as a child is an intuitive trait, except someone will inevitably come along and say that its "really tertiary" or "inferior" or whatever. Typology itself impinges upon the realm of fantasy.

    I don't see any reason for some of it being "id" rather than "super-ego."
    Super-ego would be complimentary to the ego, thus an ENFP has Ne-Fi in the ego and Se-Ti in the super-ego. Although I'm quite saucy because I'm referencing socionics which gives these elements slightly left of center definitions compared to Freud.

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