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    I am slowly becoming disillusioned with the idea that I have any chronic preference for one instinct over the other. The thread I made on pnation had me somewhat convinced that I was sx/sp, but reading different posts here and reasoning as to why others are sx leading has me questioning it.

    So here are what I consider to be the defining essences of each preference -

    sx: concerned with other individuals
    so: concerned with groups
    sp: concerned with self

    Pretty basic, right? Well, if you're concerned with groups, you're concerned with individuals. If you're concerned with a group you're in, you're concerned with yourself and other individuals.

    The picture is unclear by the way I'm defining them. Being instinctively driven by social inclinations has the potential to cover everything in one swath.

    So let me make it more complex:

    so: concern for an extensive network of individuals
    sx: concern for thorough relationships with individuals
    sp: concern for the integrity and livelihood of the self

    Of course we bare all three of these instincts, but their tends to be a ranking in priority.

    According to my more complex definitions, I would be inclined to say I was sx/so, but I'm less certain about the so.


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    Misconceptions:

    Sx is about intense one-to-one relationships only, not "the other indivuals"
    So is not about "groups" it's about "your" group, "the" group.
    Sp is about safety, not about the self.

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    [youtube=D86IVsoiqTE]Enneagram Types and Subtypes with Helen Palmer[/youtube]

    ENNEAGRAM OF PERSONALITY INSTINCTUAL VARIANTS / STACKINGS

    Instincts - Self Preservation, Social, Sexual.

    These three instincts are built into our bestial nature, which resides at an unconscious level helping to ensure our survival, both of ourselves and our species. From the perspective of the enneagram, we want to know how these drives appear and function, both within personality and as distinct patterns, as defined by each instinct alone or the alignment of two or three (stacking).

    Sexuals attract others without really trying. They also repel others in the same way, like an anti-pheromone. This works like a screening function in the mating process. People typically have a strong reaction one way or another towards Sx's, and vice versa.

    Self Pres people instinctively avoid certain foods and environments, and are likewise drawn to those things that nourish and sustain them. Sp's have a strong reaction against things that threaten to harm their comfort or health.

    Social is driven towards gaining protection and empowerment within larger entities.


    Soc's typically react strongly against things which would jeopardize or displace their position or reputation.

    The instinct is always trying to work for our survival, whether we know it or not. Personality can only get in the way. Animals, as more or less fully instinctual beings, don't have this problem. But integrating our personality with instinct requires that each side of ourselves is fully aware of the other side. Otherwise we are automated, automatic, and on autopilot.

    Basic Instinctual Subtype Stackings

    The Sexual Stackings

    sx/sp

    This is perhaps the most internally conflicted of the stackings, and potentially the most inconsistent in behavior. This may occur as a blockage of the sexual instinct which can be redirected as a more generally brooding and troubled personality. They may isolate themselves for long periods of time before reemerging. They live according to a strictly personal outlook and are not particularly concerned with the approval of others outside of their immediate concern. They seem to be searching for something, the missing piece. If they find a soulmate they will unite without fanfare, forming a secret bond, dealing with formalities as an afterthought. Powerful sexual impulses facing inner resistance may manifest symbolically in the psyche, giving way to soulful interpretations of the unconscious. Under periods of stress severe sexual tensions may manifest as erratic, impulsively destructive behavior. Can seem restless, torn between the comforts of a stable home life and the urge to wander. May be prone to self-medicating.

    Motivation: to know the heart, reconcile inner conflict, form a secure union.

    Familiar roles: the devotee, the seeker, the wanderer

    Examples of sx/sp: Prince, Carl Jung, Johnny Depp, Ozzy Osbourne, Johnny Cash, Joan Crawford, Princess Di, Marilyn Monroe, Janis Joplin, Frollo from "Hunchback of Notre Dame"

    sx/so

    This is the type that exudes the most raw charisma and sexual energy. They may identify so strongly with whatever they're involved with that they often become the symbol of its core essence, and sometimes its lead agent for change. Hardly content with the status quo, this subvariant seeks to alter the fundamental structure of something while at once embodying it's purest or most extreme form. Possibly attracted to radical views on politics, philosophy, spirituality or creativity that reflect their penchant for testing boundaries. They enjoy pushing other's buttons, especially those resistant to their modes of expression. It's not uncommon for them to have a pet social, political or spiritual cause which they're able to support with heartfelt conviction. May exploit and seek to redefine sexuality to reflect their own colorful and uncertain understanding of it. While prone to exhibitionism, they are strongly attracted to grounding influences which can anchor them and provide stability. Failure to satisfy an especially intense desire for connection may cause this subvariant to spite others at the risk of jeopardizing the need for an equal, stabilizing force. Can feel pulled between wanting a life of maximum intensity and reassuring episodes of peaceful convention.

    Motivation: to impact others, question assumptions, challenge convention.

    Examples of sx/so: Madonna, John Lennon, Yukio Mishima, Robin Williams, Drew Barrymore, Richard Simmons, Elvis, Bono, George Michael, Sinead O'Connor, Joan of Arc

    The Self-pres Stackings.

    sp/soc

    This type is generally private and reserved, and especially serious and practical minded in their focus to gain material security and in making useful connections that support their goals. When they do form a connection, loyalty is very important to them and they will not hesitate to end a relationship on grounds of disloyalty. This type may lack a certain degree of interpersonal warmth which can give the impression of coldness or disinterest in others, even a sense of selfishness. May be drawn to groups that attract like minded individuals, as in business clubs or volunteer organizations where a shared professional culture can facilitate social bonds. They tend to live conservatively and dress in an inconspicuously appropriate fashion befitting their status in life. May have a characteristically blunt and direct style of communication that can take others some getting used to. They are particularly strong in matters of commitment and sacrifice, and enjoy being the benefactors in assisting society's practical needs.

    Motivation: to attain a position of material and societal security.

    Familiar Roles: the businessperson, the responsible citizen, the pillar of society.

    Examples: Bill Gates, Donald Trump, Martha Stewart, Harrison Ford

    sp/sx

    These people often have an earthy, mysterious quality to them. They are quietly intense, but to others may seem oblivious to the greater social world around them, instead favoring personal interests. They are slow to commit, but once they do it is with an attitude of life commitment, to the establishment of an impermeable bond. Others can be taken aback by how suddenly and completely this type can lock into them, and by the depth of understanding of the other's condition. They attach to others at an organic, root level, in contrast to the other subvariant's surface formality. Somewhat hesitant to enter new relationships, they instead preserve the select few enduring bonds they carefully form along the way. The sanctuary of home is of paramount concern, and this type takes particular delight in decorating their spaces to reflect their cherished sense of taste and depth. Depth and discrimination characterize this stacking.

    Motivation: to live in a secure, comfortable environment where they can pursue their private interests in depth.

    Familiar Roles: the mate, the mystic, the quiet supporter.

    Examples: George Harrison, Jackie Onassis, Eric Clapton, Emily Dickinson

    The Social Stackings

    soc/sp

    This type is often the most comfortable in group settings, but tends to be a bit formal and awkward in one to one relations. This is the natural political type, affiliating themselves with groups or theories which best defend their social and material interests. They may lack warmth and individual identity and this could lead to problems in forming meaningful relationships outside of a shared social interest. The motivation for this type is to attain status within their chosen sphere - the "social climber."

    Examples of soc/sp: Hillary Clinton, Bill O'Reilly, Rush Limbaugh, Arnold Schwarzenegger, Ted Nugent

    soc/sx

    This type has very strong one to one social skills, but is usually uncomfortable in group settings. They enjoy cultivating multiple relationships, and can be intensely involved when in the presence of someone they are interested in, but have difficulty sustaining these bonds when apart. This may give the impression of being flighty and rootless, willing to adapt and mirror others in order to connect, but lacking a defined approach that would give their relationships a more solid standing. They may have political interests, but are generally more pragmatic and less partisan than the other social variant. They are often attuned to pop culture and the latest trends. This type's motivation is to create lasting connections with those they are interested in - the "best friend."

    Examples of soc/sx: Michael Jackson, Bill Clinton, Howard Stern, Margaret Cho, Jack McFarland from "Will & Grace"

    sp/soc: The most straightfoward in language, with relatively little trills and embellishments. Points made directly and from personal experience. Business-like. Clear. Cynical. Lacking in internal experience compared to other stackings.

    sp/sx: Comes out as somewhat heavy and gloomy, or cool and detached. Often gives out a suffocating and insular vibe, as if their internal world is wrapped around by an impermeable membrane. Strong sensory impressions designed to awake sexuality. Makes one want to linger on one or two lines forever.

    soc/sp: Tangential. Lots of details and analysis. Very in-their-head and intellectual, and lacks sensuality. Comes across as level-headed and unspontaneous, but also with personal warmth. Their written works often require a great deal of mental concentration from the readers. (Helen Palmer is So/Sp, pretty illustrating)

    soc/sx: The word "fantastical" comes to mind. Lots of virtuosity and trills, and often removed from the real world. One is whirled away by the dazzling fairies of their colorful imagination. Can be too rich in imagery for their own good. Sustained dramatic power due to their knowledge of interpersonal dynamics.

    sx/sp: Intense, often a stab-in-the-chest sensation, leaving me in tears without knowing why. Fantastical but much more concentrated in a few inner images. Can be abstract, animating dead objects into their field of contemplation. Embodiment of another human, thing, or idea is common in their writings.

    sx/soc: My impression of their writing is "fire-and-ice", as if one is to experience the extremes of heat and coldness at the same time. Often abstract, spilling one inner vision after another like a dream-sequence. Seems particularly in touch with the core meaning of life and death.


    What's your enneatype BTW?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ginkgo View Post
    I am slowly becoming disillusioned with the idea that I have any chronic preference for one instinct over the other. The thread I made on pnation had me somewhat convinced that I was sx/sp, but reading different posts here and reasoning as to why others are sx leading has me questioning it.

    So here are what I consider to be the defining essences of each preference -

    sx: concerned with other individuals
    so: concerned with groups
    sp: concerned with self

    Pretty basic, right? Well, if you're concerned with groups, you're concerned with individuals. If you're concerned with a group you're in, you're concerned with yourself and other individuals.

    The picture is unclear by the way I'm defining them. Being instinctively driven by social inclinations has the potential to cover everything in one swath.

    So let me make it more complex:

    so: concern for an extensive network of individuals
    sx: concern for thorough relationships with individuals
    sp: concern for the integrity and livelihood of the self

    Of course we bare all three of these instincts, but their tends to be a ranking in priority.

    According to my more complex definitions, I would be inclined to say I was sx/so, but I'm less certain about the so.

    I think that they're all interconnected and that's why you're confused. my theory is that instinct variants are more about priorities. for instance, if you're in the hood, it's pretty clear who the Sp survivalist types are (usually the ones who get out lol) and the So people are. however, in richer subcultures, you often see that So needs (hobbies, friends), Sp needs (comfort, safety, personal hygiene) and Sx needs (intimacy, cosmetic care) are all very well accounted for. if you're a healthy individual living a balanced lifestyle, I think instinct variants are harder to determine because they're just that, instincts and thus arise more when we're under stress or in harder times. just a theory though
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    Quote Originally Posted by Elfboy View Post
    if you're a healthy individual living a balanced lifestyle, I think instinct variants are harder to determine because they're just that, instincts and thus arise more when we're under stress or in harder times. just a theory though
    No, if you are helthy, your dominant instinct is even more obvious because you can give more energy to this.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Speed Gavroche View Post
    Misconceptions:

    Sx is about intense one-to-one relationships only, not "the other indivuals"
    So is not about "groups" it's about "your" group, "the" group.
    Sp is about safety, not about the self.
    So would you say that all of the sp's on this site who don't relate at all to sp equating to simply security and material concerns are in fact not sp? The lists you have particularly of sp/so and so/sp celebrities are all of a similar vein... Martha Stewart, Rush Limbaugh, Bill Gates, Bill O'Reilly...I mean, come on. What would an INFx or ISxP version of sp/so or so/sp look like then? Certainly quite different in overall concerns and such. Anyway, I'm 1000% NOT sp/so if that is in fact what sp/so is. I'm nothing like the people listed in those lists.

    (Who decides whether those lists are definitive and whether all of these instinctual definitions are definitive though? )

    Through various sp threads on this site, sp's DO tend to identify with the OP's definitions of sp - as concerned with self and ALL self-needs/balance, extending beyond simply material things.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Elfboy View Post
    I think that they're all interconnected and that's why you're confused. my theory is that instinct variants are more about priorities. for instance, if you're in the hood, it's pretty clear who the Sp survivalist types are (usually the ones who get out lol) and the So people are. however, in richer subcultures, you often see that So needs (hobbies, friends), Sp needs (comfort, safety, personal hygiene) and Sx needs (intimacy, cosmetic care) are all very well accounted for. if you're a healthy individual living a balanced lifestyle, I think instinct variants are harder to determine because they're just that, instincts and thus arise more when we're under stress or in harder times. just a theory though
    Never say "in the hood" again. Thank you.

    Quote Originally Posted by Speed Gavroche View Post
    Misconceptions:

    Sx is about intense one-to-one relationships only, not "the other indivuals"
    So is not about "groups" it's about "your" group, "the" group.
    Sp is about safety, not about the self.
    Basically what I came to the conclusion of.

    Some info.


    [youtube=D86IVsoiqTE]Enneagram Types and Subtypes with Helen Palmer[/youtube]
    I'll watch after making this post. I'm going to cross out what I deduct from my potential stackings and underline anything that particularly resonates with me. I may bold anything that meets me half-way.

    ENNEAGRAM OF PERSONALITY INSTINCTUAL VARIANTS / STACKINGS

    Instincts - Self Preservation, Social, Sexual.

    These three instincts are built into our bestial nature, which resides at an unconscious level helping to ensure our survival, both of ourselves and our species. From the perspective of the enneagram, we want to know how these drives appear and function, both within personality and as distinct patterns, as defined by each instinct alone or the alignment of two or three (stacking).

    Sexuals attract others without really trying. They also repel others in the same way, like an anti-pheromone. This works like a screening function in the mating process. People typically have a strong reaction one way or another towards Sx's, and vice versa.
    I'm not exactly certain of this. It's something that must be garnered from the opinions of other people and isn't exactly self-evident. I would imagine sx people tend to make extreme impressions one way or another - rather radical.

    Self Pres people instinctively avoid certain foods and environments, and are likewise drawn to those things that nourish and sustain them. Sp's have a strong reaction against things that threaten to harm their comfort or health.

    [c]Social is driven towards gaining protection and empowerment within larger entities.[/c]
    Soc's typically react strongly against things which would jeopardize or displace their position or reputation.
    I like knowing that I'm accepted and can sometimes go out of my way to be excepted by groups or individuals. However, there I times when the scales tip in the opposite direction, I challenge someone or something once I get close enough to both maintain a sense of individuality and jostle things around a bit. Occasionally I dig my own grave in the eyes of others, but as long as it's no one significant to me, I'll feel fine.

    As far as the self preservation goes, I do avoid certain environments, but it's usually because of the social atmosphere and the connotation it brings. On principle, I will not enter certain buildings or be caught in the wrong place at the wrong time. Concerning my well being, personal relationships ride the cusp of the wave, while physical wellness (unfortunately) comes last.

    The instinct is always trying to work for our survival, whether we know it or not. Personality can only get in the way. Animals, as more or less fully instinctual beings, don't have this problem. But integrating our personality with instinct requires that each side of ourselves is fully aware of the other side. Otherwise we are automated, automatic, and on autopilot.

    Basic Instinctual Subtype Stackings

    The Sexual Stackings

    sx/sp

    This is perhaps the most internally conflicted of the stackings, and potentially the most inconsistent in behavior. This may occur as a blockage of the sexual instinct which can be redirected as a more generally brooding and troubled personality. They may isolate themselves for long periods of time before reemerging. They live according to a strictly personal outlook and are not particularly concerned with the approval of others outside of their immediate concern. They seem to be searching for something, the missing piece. If they find a soulmate they will unite without fanfare, forming a secret bond, dealing with formalities as an afterthought. Powerful sexual impulses facing inner resistance may manifest symbolically in the psyche, giving way to soulful interpretations of the unconscious. Under periods of stress severe sexual tensions may manifest as erratic, impulsively destructive behavior. Can seem restless, torn between the comforts of a stable home life and the urge to wander. May be prone to self-medicating.
    Ultimately, I do care what others think, though I identify with searching for that "missing piece" as a soul searcher. Formalities are strained but are of concern, while at the same time it seems that I'm frequently second-guessing my sense of how to be formal or appropriate.

    Motivation: to know the heart, reconcile inner conflict, form a secure union.

    Familiar roles: the devotee, the seeker, the wanderer
    Cool.

    Examples of sx/sp: Prince, Carl Jung, Johnny Depp, Ozzy Osbourne, Johnny Cash, Joan Crawford, Princess Di, Marilyn Monroe, Janis Joplin, Frollo from "Hunchback of Notre Dame"
    Definitely fits for Carl Jung and many of the rest as far as I know. Lol @ Frollo. What a jackass.

    sx/so

    This is the type that exudes the most raw charisma and sexual energy. They may identify so strongly with whatever they're involved with that they often become the symbol of its core essence, and sometimes its lead agent for change. Hardly content with the status quo, this subvariant seeks to alter the fundamental structure of something while at once embodying it's purest or most extreme form. Possibly attracted to radical views on politics, philosophy, spirituality or creativity that reflect their penchant for testing boundaries. They enjoy pushing other's buttons, especially those resistant to their modes of expression. It's not uncommon for them to have a pet social, political or spiritual cause which they're able to support with heartfelt conviction. May exploit and seek to redefine sexuality to reflect their own colorful and uncertain understanding of it. While prone to exhibitionism, they are strongly attracted to grounding influences which can anchor them and provide stability. Failure to satisfy an especially intense desire for connection may cause this subvariant to spite others at the risk of jeopardizing the need for an equal, stabilizing force. Can feel pulled between wanting a life of maximum intensity and reassuring episodes of peaceful convention.
    This person sounds fucking awesome and i identify strongly with it. Haha.

    Motivation: to impact others, question assumptions, challenge convention.

    Examples of sx/so: Madonna, John Lennon, Yukio Mishima, Robin Williams, Drew Barrymore, Richard Simmons, Elvis, Bono, George Michael, Sinead O'Connor, Joan of Arc
    Kickass.

    The Self-pres Stackings.

    sp/soc

    [c]This type is generally private and reserved, and especially serious and practical minded in their focus to gain material security and in making useful connections that support their goals. When they do form a connection, loyalty is very important to them and they will not hesitate to end a relationship on grounds of disloyalty. This type may lack a certain degree of interpersonal warmth which can give the impression of coldness or disinterest in others, even a sense of selfishness. May be drawn to groups that attract like minded individuals, as in business clubs or volunteer organizations where a shared professional culture can facilitate social bonds. They tend to live conservatively and dress in an inconspicuously appropriate fashion befitting their status in life. May have a characteristically blunt and direct style of communication that can take others some getting used to. They are particularly strong in matters of commitment and sacrifice, and enjoy being the benefactors in assisting society's practical needs.

    Motivation: to attain a position of material and societal security.

    Familiar Roles: the businessperson, the responsible citizen, the pillar of society.[/c]


    Examples: Bill Gates, Donald Trump, Martha Stewart, Harrison Ford


    sp/sx

    These people often have an earthy, mysterious quality to them. They are quietly intense, but to others may seem oblivious to the greater social world around them, instead favoring personal interests. They are slow to commit, but once they do it is with an attitude of life commitment, to the establishment of an impermeable bond. Others can be taken aback by how suddenly and completely this type can lock into them, and by the depth of understanding of the other's condition. They attach to others at an organic, root level, in contrast to the other subvariant's surface formality. Somewhat hesitant to enter new relationships, they instead preserve the select few enduring bonds they carefully form along the way. The sanctuary of home is of paramount concern, and this type takes particular delight in decorating their spaces to reflect their cherished sense of taste and depth. Depth and discrimination characterize this stacking.
    I can't stand frilly, excessive pillows. I get the organic, root level thing. I get the quick one-on-one sttraction. I identify with the depth.

    Motivation: to live in a secure, comfortable environment where they can pursue their private interests in depth.

    Familiar Roles: the mate, the mystic, the quiet supporter.
    I understand that, it resonates, but it seems too confined.

    Examples: George Harrison, Jackie Onassis, Eric Clapton, Emily Dickinson
    Only know Eric Clapton. Great guitarist, terrible drinker.

    The Social Stackings

    soc/sp

    [c]This type is often the most comfortable in group settings, but tends to be a bit formal and awkward in one to one relations. This is the natural political type, affiliating themselves with groups or theories which best defend their social and material interests. They may lack warmth and individual identity and this could lead to problems in forming meaningful relationships outside of a shared social interest. The motivation for this type is to attain status within their chosen sphere - the "social climber."

    Examples of soc/sp: Hillary Clinton, Bill O'Reilly, Rush Limbaugh, Arnold Schwarzenegger, Ted Nugent[/c]
    soc/sx

    This type has very strong one to one social skills, but is usually uncomfortable in group settings. They enjoy cultivating multiple relationships, and can be intensely involved when in the presence of someone they are interested in, but have difficulty sustaining these bonds when apart. This may give the impression of being flighty and rootless, willing to adapt and mirror others in order to connect, but lacking a defined approach that would give their relationships a more solid standing. They may have political interests, but are generally more pragmatic and less partisan than the other social variant. They are often attuned to pop culture and the latest trends. This type's motivation is to create lasting connections with those they are interested in - the "best friend."

    Examples of soc/sx: Michael Jackson, Bill Clinton, Howard Stern, Margaret Cho, Jack McFarland from "Will & Grace"
    [/QUOTE]

    This resonates. Mirroring others and being rather flighty.

    sp/soc: The most straightfoward in language, with relatively little trills and embellishments. Points made directly and from personal experience. Business-like. Clear. Cynical. Lacking in internal experience compared to other stackings.

    sp/sx: Comes out as somewhat heavy and gloomy, or cool and detached. Often gives out a suffocating and insular vibe, as if their internal world is wrapped around by an impermeable membrane. Strong sensory impressions designed to awake sexuality. Makes one want to linger on one or two lines forever.

    soc/sp: Tangential. Lots of details and analysis. Very in-their-head and intellectual, and lacks sensuality. Comes across as level-headed and unspontaneous, but also with personal warmth. Their written works often require a great deal of mental concentration from the readers. (Helen Palmer is So/Sp, pretty illustrating)

    soc/sx: The word "fantastical" comes to mind. Lots of virtuosity and trills, and often removed from the real world. One is whirled away by the dazzling fairies of their colorful imagination. Can be too rich in imagery for their own good. Sustained dramatic power due to their knowledge of interpersonal dynamics.

    sx/sp: Intense, often a stab-in-the-chest sensation, leaving me in tears without knowing why. Fantastical but much more concentrated in a few inner images. Can be abstract, animating dead objects into their field of contemplation. Embodiment of another human, thing, or idea is common in their writings.
    Necromancer sx/sp? Lol. I'm abstract, and I
    sx/soc: My impression of their writing is "fire-and-ice", as if one is to experience the extremes of heat and coldness at the same time. Often abstract, spilling one inner vision after another like a dream-sequence. Seems particularly in touch with the core meaning of life and death.


    What's your enneatype BTW?[/QUOTE]

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ginkgo View Post
    Never say "in the hood" again. Thank you.


    That's not a very good survival attitude. You'd be creamed in the hood! Someone would be out to knock ya' one down there!
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ginkgo View Post
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    Quote Originally Posted by cascadeco View Post
    So would you say that all of the sp's on this site who don't relate at all to sp equating to simply security and material concerns are in fact not sp?
    I'd say that they confound their Sp with 4, 5 and 9, or that they are more concerned with security than they think they are.

    The lists you have particularly of sp/so and so/sp celebrities are all of a similar vein... Martha Stewart, Rush Limbaugh, Bill Gates, Bill O'Reilly...I mean, come on. What would an INFx or ISxP version of sp/so or so/sp look like then? Certainly quite different in overall concerns and such. Anyway, I'm 1000% NOT sp/so if that is in fact what sp/so is. I'm nothing like the people listed in those lists.
    It depends of the enneatype, Donald Trump is a 8w7,and he's not withdrawing at all, but let's see for the yours, the 5w4.

    5w4 Sp/So
    Jim Woodring http://youtube.com/watch?v=JP0oSaUQn5E
    Stephen King http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ic7JnF4vStA
    Glenn Gould http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kNhjs57j5oU
    KD Lang http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EV5XlPFmf5M
    Samuel Beckett http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w14AfFVqyjM
    Guy Maddin http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3KArJgBRLow
    Maldoon http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bMvcBsgMbWI
    Annie Leibovitz http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xRhbqtV6RcA
    Stephen Daldry http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_5aeVvxMfRQ

    All theses people fits with the Sp/So descriotion: they are pracctical,realistic, self-contained, good citizens, and concerned with comfort and safety. I think many of them are INxx.

    Then, for 5w4 So/Sp

    5w4 So/Sp
    Albert Einstein http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l-1Z2wi2uSA
    Werner Herzog http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B4i5WkkXdmc
    Peter Gabriel http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ruo4l7E8j_A
    Colin Wilson http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=btNpJ0iUaRQ
    David Byrne http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GQUSDExQk1o
    Susan Sontag http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dvlZ2Ake6FU
    Frank Tovey http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lomguq7kNSA
    Laurie Anderson http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xeSPZsw8h7Y
    Hannelore Knuts http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NyEkemQeSQw
    Lily Tomlin http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eNbYgpE_zdI

    Theses people fit with the So/Sp descriotion too, they are collected public figure, self-contained and turned to comfort and safety. Again, many of them are INxx

    Now, here are sexual 5w4s:

    5w4 Sx/Sp
    Kurt Cobain http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Wqzn9F0GI1o
    Sinead O'Connor http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3ExY8IPx454
    Trent Reznor http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xr8FXnur5Z4
    David Croneberg http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZbMsQI7MLW0
    Bjork http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hlzixwWyrwU
    Roger Waters http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I2C2GOizswU
    Daniel Day-Lewis http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=m__YjM8gg3s
    Louise Gluck http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tRJ1D2DpXpo
    Michelangelo Antonioni http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0b8xtTbJXlY
    Tilda Swinton http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f-OWANK5lrQ
    Béla Bartók http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2Es88Z--QfY
    Marina Abramovic http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UODaRxt8Zuw


    5w4 Sx/So
    John Lennon http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dwJj2efChFk
    William Burroughs http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fw1U4EJdtgs
    Patti Smith http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8msBBzkJn_E
    Oriana Fallaci http://www.charlierose.com/view/interview/221
    Clive Barker http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yM6-SIzMr3c

    Fictional
    Hannibal Lector

    Theses people fits with descriptions of Sx. But are clearly different than sx last 5s.

    (Who decides whether those lists are definitive and whether all of these instinctual definitions are definitive though? )
    We could also wonder who decide that 2+2=4, but that would be as pointless.

    Through various sp threads on this site, sp's DO tend to identify with the OP's definitions of sp - as concerned with self and ALL self-needs/balance, extending beyond simply material things.
    Yes, but self-pres last are concerned with the self too, but not with safety. It's the same thing for Sx, Sx-last are concerned with other people to, but they don't especially seek intensity, they seek comfortable relationships. but Sp is not about withdrawing, it's about 5. Howard Hughes was a 5w6 Sx/So, and you know how he ended.
    EsTP 6w7 Sx/Sp

    Chaotic Neutral

    E=60% S=55% T=70% P=80%

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