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    Quote Originally Posted by cascadeco View Post
    Well yes, this is part of my whole point. That sp does not equate to only material things - it's the whole self. So to your original point, where you say misconception of Sp is that Sp is NOT about the self, it is instead about safety, that's really not true. Sure, it's a part of it, but sp is absolutely about the self and looking at all aspect of ones' own health/self - physical, emotional, spiritual, what have you.

    If you're in agreement that sp is not just focusing on material things, then that's cool and I am in agreement as well. It's just that your various posts about sp in this thread and others really don't say this - you initially focus on pretty much only the material and safety aspects, and your initial examples tend to be people who are only focused on these material things, and very material 'successes'.
    I think that "safety" extends to the psychological and emotional, which is more immaterial.

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    I have ever discussed that, but the ultimate drive of the self-pres instinct is to recreate the conditions of the intra-uterin life, where you are quiet,guarded, comfortable, totally at peace, and where all your needs are supported because you are connected with someone who supports your safety, and that you communicate with that person in a way that makes you feel quite and comfortable. I think the ultimate drive of Self-pres people is to feel like a fetus.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Marmie Dearest View Post
    I think that "safety" extends to the psychological and emotional, which is more immaterial.
    That would make more sense.

    Quote Originally Posted by Speed Gavroche View Post
    I have ever discussed that, but the ultimate drive of the self-pres instinct is to recreate the conditions of the intra-uterin life, where you are quiet, comfortable, totally at peace, and where all your needs are supported because you are connected with someone who supports your safety, and that you communicate with that person in a way that makes you feel quite and comfortable. I think the ultimate drive of Self-pres people is to feel like a fetus.
    Interesting! I can definitely relate to striving for peace and centeredness.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Marmie Dearest View Post
    I can see a difference between myself and an sp dom, they seem more guarded and sometimes things like health and safety take priority to them above all things, to the point where it would bore me if I were like that.
    yep. And I'll bring water and a snack, but not always enough- it's like the need is there, but I don't think it through fully or it doesn't come as automatically.

    When people go on and on about sp-matters, like how they can't eat gluten cause blah blah or how awesome their curtains are, I get irritated, but I do have a mild interest in it- I like looking at home decor magazines, eating well. It's just not my life. I'd rather feel some intensity, some attraction.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Speed Gavroche View Post
    I have ever discussed that, but the ultimate drive of the self-pres instinct is to recreate the conditions of the intra-uterin life, where you are quiet,guarded, comfortable, totally at peace, and where all your needs are supported because you are connected with someone who supports your safety, and that you communicate with that person in a way that makes you feel quite and comfortable. I think the ultimate drive of Self-pres people is to feel like a fetus.
    Hah. I actually used the uterus as an analogy not that long ago after the feeling I had of regaining my self-interest. When you feel that the entire world is available, and that fate itself will protect you, there exists equanimity. Did you come up with that yourself or was that plucked from your research?

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    I came up with that on my own.
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    Sp wants to be a fetus. That's actually very helpful, thank you. What's an analogy for the other instincts? Analogies clarify things for me more than anything else...

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    so is for octopus
    sx is for satellite probe

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ginkgo View Post
    so is for octopus
    sx is for satellite probe
    I should make an alteration to my previous statement: good analogies clarify; poor ones merely confuse.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Speed Gavroche
    I have ever discussed that, but the ultimate drive of the self-pres instinct is to recreate the conditions of the intra-uterin life, where you are quiet,guarded, comfortable, totally at peace, and where all your needs are supported because you are connected with someone who supports your safety, and that you communicate with that person in a way that makes you feel quite and comfortable. I think the ultimate drive of Self-pres people is to feel like a fetus.
    Hell no. Relying on other people goes against my nature 100%, my aim is self sufficiency and reliance on no one, I am the one who will protect my safety. I am island!!

    Quote Originally Posted by cascadeco
    sp is absolutely about the self and looking at all aspect of ones' own health/self - physical, emotional, spiritual, what have you; particular focus would probably be dependent on ennegram in combo with mbti.
    Amen.

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