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    Quote Originally Posted by Speed Gavroche View Post
    No, if you are helthy, your dominant instinct is even more obvious because you can give more energy to this.
    yes, but doesn't being healthy and wealthy also give you more recources to devote to priorities 2 and 3?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Speed Gavroche View Post
    I'd say that they confound their Sp with 4, 5 and 9, or that they are more concerned with security than they think they are.
    Fair enough, and especially to the last point, that's probably true.

    We could also wonder who decide that 2+2=4, but that would be as pointless.
    It's not really the same thing. The nature of typing is pretty subjective to begin with - my point being that many 'experts' disagree on what constitutes what type, and it's also observable in every single Typing thread on this forum - one person asserting definitively that so and so is one certain type, another person asserting equally definitively that they are another type. I was simply curious who decided all of those celebrities were in fact those types.

    But thanks very much for the additional information and 5w4 examples!! That's very helpful and I appreciate it. I'll have to think about those various examples a bit more.
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    Quote Originally Posted by cascadeco View Post
    Through various sp threads on this site, sp's DO tend to identify with the OP's definitions of sp - as concerned with self and ALL self-needs/balance, extending beyond simply material things.
    Precisely. For instance, in the case of a 5, there would probably be a protective attitude toward maintaining that intellectual "home-base", since it's so bound to the individual's primary circuit - the head. Hording knowledge by rote memorization might be an inclination, or, conversely, rejecting information to preserve the integrity of the 5's worldview. I don't like how sp always holds a connotation of material wealth, as immaterial matters, even in the spiritual, philosophical, and abstract sense contribute to one's personal health. I can personally attest to feeling satisfied, as if I just gorged myself with lamb chops, after reading a good book. Without learning, I may grow to feel vacant.

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    I think I'm a sx/sp, just unwilling to admit to it because I see it in a negative light.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ginkgo View Post
    I don't like how sp always holds a connotation of material wealth, as immaterial matters, even in the spiritual, philosophical, and abstract sense contribute to one's personal health.
    Precisely, to be concerned with immaterial things for personal health is a typycal self-pres thing, Sx are concerned with the emmaterial to feel intense.
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    Quote Originally Posted by shortnsweet View Post
    That's not a very good survival attitude. You'd be creamed in the hood! Someone would be out to knock ya' one down there!
    yo shit i got 3 rules fo yo in the hood. if yo readin' this, im either ded, or on the inside

    ONE: run faster
    TWO: Dont trip
    THREE: dont look back

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ginkgo View Post
    yo shit i got 3 rules fo yo in the hood. if yo readin' this, im either ded, or on the inside

    ONE: run faster
    TWO: Dont trip
    THREE: dont look back
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    Quote Originally Posted by Speed Gavroche View Post
    Precisely, to be concerned with immaterial things for personal health is a typycal self-pres thing, Sx are concerned with the emmaterial to feel intense.
    Health is directly related to self preservation.

    EDIT: nevermind. Sorry I didn't read your post thoroughly because my ADD festered brain was too fixated on your crappy English.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Speed Gavroche View Post
    Precisely, to be concerned with immaterial things for personal health is a typycal self-pres thing, Sx are concerned with the emmaterial to feel intense.
    Well yes, this is part of my whole point. That sp does not equate to only material things - it's the whole self. So to your original point, where you say misconception of Sp is that Sp is NOT about the self, it is instead about safety, that's really not true. Sure, it's a part of it, but sp is absolutely about the self and looking at all aspect of ones' own health/self - physical, emotional, spiritual, what have you; particular focus would probably be dependent on ennegram in combo with mbti.

    If you're in agreement that sp is not just focusing on material things, then that's cool and I am in agreement as well. It's just that your various posts about sp in this thread and others really don't say this - you initially focus on pretty much only the material and safety aspects, and your initial examples tend to be people who are only focused on these material things, and very material 'successes'.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ginkgo View Post
    Health is directly related to self preservation.
    I think that's true, I'm sp aux and I think this is where my strong interest in health-related things and my cautious streak come from. I look at people cock-eyed when they say things like they forgot to bring lunch or some basic necessity like that.

    But since I'm sx dom instead of sp I think I reveal myself psychologically and emotionally a lot more, and put myself way out there.

    I can see a difference between myself and an sp dom, they seem more guarded and sometimes things like health and safety take priority to them above all things, to the point where it would bore me if I were like that.

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