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    Quote Originally Posted by Elfboy View Post
    there are times when dressing down kinda bothers me. I went on a date with a woman, just to give being straight a try, and she came in with a hoody and shorts while I was in a button up shirt and tie and I'm thinking 'did this woman have a mother, my goodness'.
    I'm just gonna throw in here that this is why people have suggested you sound just a touch ISFJ here and there.

    Not that all SFJs are like that, though. Some of them think things like hoodies and shorts are perfectly acceptable date wear, because that's their primary group and their aesthetic preferences. I think the SJs I've dated have been more liberal SJs so I haven't encountered as much of this crap about looking down on hoodies or whatever (in fact, my ESFJ ex had his favorite red and black hoodies, like collections of them...his entire closet was practically red and black with some blue jeans, and then like two outfits he had that were business appropriate , like one suit, and just a pair of slacks and a button down shirt because he didn't do office work but he kept them for interviews and special occasions).

    But THE ATTITUDE is the same. If you cross an SFJ about something they find inappropriate (and it's not the same for all of them) it's the same shit, like "omg do you have a mother? are you abnormal? don't you know how to act?" et al.

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    Quote Originally Posted by OrangeAppled View Post
    There are too many different levels & aspects of fashion to delegate it to one temperament. The people who create fashion are more often trendsetters than followers. Functional, everyday fashion is not the same as artistic couture; label & status-focused fashion is different from self-expressive, street fashion; etc...

    Fashion is simply another art form (albeit, sometimes a commercial, "low" art), and assigning art to SPs is a stereotype at best. Jung associated artistic expression with Fi & Ni, general good taste with Fe, preoccupations with aesthetics/style with Se, and pursuing novel ideas with Ne. I think from this, you could see SFPs, NFPs, & NFJs being the most creative fashion-wise, and that's in-line with my personal observations anyway. Every other type still has at least one of these functions, and there are many explanations for why they'd become interested in fashion.

    Enneagram might explain some of it also, as sometimes these things are more related to emotions than thought processes; e3s are concerned with image/status, e4s with being unique, e1s with appropriateness, etc.
    I agree, that's been my opinion from the beginning actually
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    I just see too many blantantly ENFP qualities in myself. like, getting a connection and being like "omg! I gotta tell everyone!" in my mind, that I used to basically speak in metaphors and analogies, and especially the fact that as a child I was constantly daydreaming and off in my own world and never wanted to play sports or do other more typical Sensor activities (I doubt it's likely an ESFP child would spend the whole day daydreaming about magically fairytale lands and other iconically NFP stuff)
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    Quote Originally Posted by Marmie Dearest View Post
    I'm just gonna throw in here that this is why people have suggested you sound just a touch ISFJ here and there.

    Not that all SFJs are like that, though. Some of them think things like hoodies and shorts are perfectly acceptable date wear, because that's their primary group and their aesthetic preferences. I think the SJs I've dated have been more liberal SJs so I haven't encountered as much of this crap about looking down on hoodies or whatever (in fact, my ESFJ ex had his favorite red and black hoodies, like collections of them...his entire closet was practically red and black with some blue jeans, and then like two outfits he had that were business appropriate , like one suit, and just a pair of slacks and a button down shirt because he didn't do office work but he kept them for interviews and special occasions).

    But THE ATTITUDE is the same. If you cross an SFJ about something they find inappropriate (and it's not the same for all of them) it's the same shit, like "omg do you have a mother? are you abnormal? don't you know how to act?" et al.
    I don't look down on hoodies, I look down on wearing a hoody to a date. absolutely proposterous lol
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    Quote Originally Posted by Marmie Dearest View Post
    I'm sorry I'm going to have to disagree with you here. SJs can have a very particular aesthetic they follow because their Si likes it. So instead of being on top of all the newest fashion, they may have a signature style that is very attractive or even unique. I've known more than one SJ male who has a very distinctive way of dressing, though it tends to be a very ...hmmm...particular style they stick with. Like "this LOOK is me." It's not always things like business suits, either. It can easily be a strong preference for wearing red and black, always wearing a certain brand of jeans or shoes, or having a very particular aesthetic that is almost like their "uniform" but it doesn't have to be boring, I can't stress that enough. SJs who have highly developed Si aesthetics may have a consistent individual style that only changes subtley, but it can still be an interesting or colorful look. This isn't for social reasons. It's for what they like aesthetically.
    I'd still argue that this is a social signal, of sorts - "maybe I'll show some mild flair, but what I wear is important, because it demonstrates to others that they can depend on me in all seasons, or it demonstrates that I am a competent, responsible member of society/this organization." I'm arguing that aesthetics and perceived message are deeply intertwined. One person's clothing choice ultimately represents ego-syntonic messages. Since extraverted judgment plays such a strong role in a J's sense of self, extra attention could be paid to what message the clothes send off.

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    ExFP is pretty clear to me. If it helps, you come across as extremely similar to savage idealist, but I see far less N in you. Whether you're all the way over to S or just closer to the border, I'm not sure. It would help if you discussed things other than yourself so that we could know what your interests are (not an insult, a statement).

    Quote Originally Posted by Elfboy View Post
    - I have no physical coordination
    - I am terrible at reading body language
    - I am terrible at virtually every physical activity I've ever tried except fencing (which I was a friggin beast at btw, but just because I SJ'd the shit out of my training regimen and practiced repetitively for hours)
    - I have no sense of real time
    You can add one more to that list: "I have no idea what Se is". None of that indicates Se dominance, honestly I fit those 4 points perfectly and I'm confident that I'm Se-aux. Are you sure that you understand that Se dominance doesn't mean proficiency or ability in any way? That could dramatically change your answers.

    Your Fi is too wild to really see whether it's guided by Se or Ne, though.
    -end of thread-

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    Quote Originally Posted by Elfboy View Post
    I don't look down on hoodies, I look down on wearing a hoody to a date. absolutely proposterous lol
    maybe it wasn't a priority for her because she wasn't interested and she didn't feel the need to dress up.. i mean i don't know where you all went but i'd probably judge a guy who showed up on a date wearing a shirt and tie for being too formal. unless it was somewhere really fancy.

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    I don't think it's preposterous to wear a hoodie on a date in Southern California or Las Vegas, particularly amongst people who are athletic, and/or were once skaters or punks, or who are still part of the music scene. In fact, people in West Virginia wear hoodies. Hoodies are everywhere. They were considered very fashionable several years ago.

    There are different qualities of hoodies, too. My ex used to always wear really high quality brand name stuff with particular designs and he would buy me similar things - he bought me a hoodie once that had cat ears and mittens that looked like paws, I miss that fucking jacket.

    I mean, sure, if you're going to an upscale restaurant, you should probably wear a dress, a skirt, or at least dress pants, but otherwise...I mean where were you going on the date?

    It's the fact that you presume there is "appropriate" date wear, or that all dates would involve an upscale dining atmosphere or something. What about dates to the beach, the movies, a casino, the park, a museum, a concert...

    I think you're just from a different social group, and the fact that you're so judgey about seems like Fe to me, I'm totally serious, bro.

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    Quote Originally Posted by chana View Post
    maybe it wasn't a priority for her because she wasn't interested and she didn't feel the need to dress up.. i mean i don't know where you all went but i'd probably judge a guy who showed up on a date wearing a shirt and tie for being too formal. unless it was somewhere really fancy.
    it was an expensive restaurant, she didn't know I was gay and she was very attracted to me (based on how she would always lean towards me, touching her neck, trying to supress a giggle much of the time when I would talk and starring into my eyes)
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    Quote Originally Posted by Elfboy View Post
    fair enough. sorry my question was a little assumptive "NFPs often develop their own personal trends outside of established fashion trends" sounds a lot like me (but I've heard ISFPs in particular do this too). I don't dress anything like any people I know. I don't care about looking in style as long as I look good. for instance, I would greatly enjoy wearing a kimono or go early 20th century with a tweed coat, cane, top hat and eyeglass I don't so much care what other people are wearing, although I do like to be in the presence of physical beauty, but I'm sure this has little type relation.
    "Beauty is truth, truth beauty" - that's Keats for you.

    I do however take note of who takes care of themselves and who doesn't. I see a lot of people who wear stuff I think looks terrible, but THEY think they look good, and that's what's important. if I'm evaluating someone based off of looks, it's more about if I think they take care of themselves and treat themselves well than what they're actually wearing.
    that being said, there are times when dressing down kinda bothers me. I went on a date with a woman, just to give being straight a try, and she came in with a hoody and shorts while I was in a button up shirt and tie and I'm thinking 'did this woman have a mother, my goodness'. once again though, I don't think this is type related. I know a lot of NFs who dress like divas and SPs who dress like they should go on jerry springer
    Going to have to add to the "sounds ISFJish" tip jar here.

    one time where I do look intently at what someone is wearing is if they wear something that really connects with me and I think "that is SO me!" (based on the point you made, this seems more like a case for NFP) in which case I'll make adjustments to some of my wardrobe to bring out a characteristic more. as example of this is one day when I was watching Code Geass and the male emperial characters had on outfits that were half aristocratic/victorian and half future/high fashion.
    Yeah, that's also Si-ish. There isn't as much of a tendency with Ne to look to another as a model to be emulated, or identification with another as being "SO me". It's more of quickly noticing the object, and recognizing that it fits within your wardrobe, for whatever reason. Unfortunately for we xNTPs, it doesn't make any sense to buy clothes unless they're functional and necessary in some way.

    PS: what's HSP?
    Highly Sensitive Person. It's a neurological trait whereby a person registers sensory input in an amplified way compared to the average population. It has both good and bad aspects: on the bad side, intense sensory experiences can often overwhelm an HSP, even to the point of nausea and vomiting. On the good side, there often is a greater appreciation for art and aesthetics, along with the fine details and facets that make something beautiful.

    PPS: my best friend is INTJ and he is all about looking good. no matter what type you are, taking a little time to pamper yourself, take care of yourself and dress up can make you feel better, the act of doing so more than the actual results of looking good.
    Yeah, INTJs do that sort of thing. They've got an archetypal (Ni) image that they want to project to the world, and they've got the Te facility in making that vision become reality. This also goes on the potential ISFJ tally.

    Quote Originally Posted by OrangeAppled View Post
    There are too many different levels & aspects of fashion to delegate it to one temperament. The people who create fashion are more often trendsetters than followers. Functional, everyday fashion is not the same as artistic couture; label & status-focused fashion is different from self-expressive, street fashion; etc...

    Fashion is simply another art form (albeit, sometimes a commercial, "low" art), and assigning art to SPs is a stereotype at best. Jung associated artistic expression with Fi & Ni, general good taste with Fe, preoccupations with aesthetics/style with Se, and pursuing novel ideas with Ne. I think from this, you could see SFPs, NFPs, & NFJs being the most creative fashion-wise, and that's in-line with my personal observations anyway. Every other type still has at least one of these functions, and there are many explanations for why they'd become interested in fashion.
    I agree that there are people of all sorts of types there. I'll even go so far as to definitively state that there is some ENTP designer who loves what he or she does, if only because he or she gets to troll the entire fashion world every three months.

    Enneagram might explain some of it also, as sometimes these things are more related to emotions than thought processes; e3s are concerned with image/status, e4s with being unique, e1s with appropriateness, etc.
    I guess my assertion was more that xS(F)P ethics and values are what drives the industry's better qualities of self-expression and artistic grace. It's not enough to be unique or innovative; one must be striking, bold and daring to get positive attention. There's always the desire to express some metaphorical quality within the clothing (which is where the Ni people come in). At the same time, my inclination is that many xNFPs may be turned off by how exploitative, racist and misogynistic the industry can be, not to mention how dehumanizing the extreme focus on physical appeal may be.

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