What Type is Haight?

[Usehername]

Why is this a sticky? And why can't an INTJ have piles of books, too? (Most of my books are multiple-category organized on my shelves, but I have a subsection of books I rotate through depending on immediate interest that are in piles around my bed/by my computer/on my desk, etc.)

 

[The Ü™]

What makes anyone think that INTJs are even book people?

 

[heart]

Why is this a sticky? And why can't an INTJ have piles of books, too? (Most of my books are multiple-category organized on my shelves, but I have a subsection of books I rotate through depending on immediate interest that are in piles around my bed/by my computer/on my desk, etc.)

I just think a Ne is more likely to have a big pile of them .

 

[Athenian200]

I think you're an INTP. You don't have that INTJ-ish vibe, and I've known a few INTJ message board admins. They usually do what they think is efficient and useful, and don't care what the members think. They also have significantly longer lists of rules and guidelines that they'll adhere to more strictly. On the plus side, they usually keep things running more smoothly on the server side, and preemptively fix situations long before they have the potential to become problems.

INTJ's in general give me an impression of being mischievous, diabolical, blunt, yet lovable strategists who are always striving to improve their systems. Their perfectionism, efficiency, organization, willpower, and foresight are rather endearing traits.

You're almost the opposite of this. You seem to prefer trying various things to see how people react to them, and then making further decisions based on this. You also seem to be the sort who doesn't like to take preventative action so much as corrective action once a problem has been identified. It's like you want to give both systems and people "the benefit of the doubt."

I'm not sure, but I'm more confident than I have been in the past, as you have been posting enough recently that I have a better concept of your personality.

 

[nottaprettygal]

They usually do what they think is efficient and useful, and don't care what the members think. They also have significantly longer lists of rules and guidelines that they'll adhere to more strictly.

Wow. He's much more diabolical than those other INTJs if people actually think he cares about their opinions.

However, we were reading the rules of the INTJ forum the other day and were laughing about how unbelievably strict they were. Could it just be that he's a laid-back INTJ and feels that freedom of expression is more useful than a bunch of silly rules?

 

[Ivy]

Wow. He's much more diabolical than those other INTJs if people actually think he cares about their opinions.

However, we were reading the rules of the INTJ forum the other day and were laughing about how unbelievably strict they were. Could it just be that he's a laid-back INTJ and feels that freedom of expression is more useful than a bunch of silly rules?

I definitely think it can be that. My friends FMWarner and OK Radio, both of whom I've known for longer than I've frequented either of the Centrals, are both INTJs of the laid-back sort you describe. I don't think either one of them would enjoy the INTJ forum, but they're still pretty clear INTJs.

 

[disregard]

I kind of guessed.. I don't know anything about Haight. Or INTJs for that matter.

 

[Ivy]

I kind of guessed.. I don't know anything about Haight. Or INTJs for that matter.

I haven't decided yet if I think Haight is INTJ or INTP, I just don't think not having a lot of rigid rules necessarily means he's NOT a J.

 

[heart]

I think you're an INTP. You don't have that INTJ-ish vibe,

Yes, I based my answer on "feel" and tone. No logic involved in it really.

Male INTJ seem to have a misty, imaginative feel to them, their inner eye on their imaginations even when they have good Te going. I just don't get that vibe from Haight's posts. Ti feels more like the inner eye of the person is on truth, reason, solid.

There are no value judgments in my choice of words, just trying to put a feeling to words, which is really hard at times.

 

[Night]

INTJ.

I believed as much when I first encountered you on INTPc.

You've the temerity of an NTJ.
Nicely done.

 

[disregard]

You've the temerity of an NTJ.

Ah.. that is true.

 

[SillySapienne]

Wow, my vote actually mattered!!!

...INTP

 

[heart]

INTJ.

I believed as much when I first encountered you on INTPc.

You've the temerity of an NTJ.
Nicely done.

But can't Ti have audacity, when it is sure of its own internal determinations?

Isn't the difference between INTP and INTJ the difference between Internal jugement and external judgement, not degree of temerity?

One basing their judgement on external standards and one on internal standards?

 

[Night]

But can't Ti have audacity, when it is sure of its own internal determinations?

Isn't the difference between INTP and INTJ the difference between Internal jugement and external judgement, not degree of temerity?

One basing their judgement on external standards and one on internal standards?

Certainly.

My assessment was culled directly from the nether-regions of my Ni and was poorly diagrammed. Forgive me.

My rationale lies in the execution of his judgment. As an admin, I'm not certain we've adequate familiarity with Haight during his non-admin behavior. As such, our perspectives are skewed 'round this tangent.

Even with this impairment, I think we can agree on the methodology by which he rules.

I find that Ne tends to bubble less with the hum and drip of organized rule and instead is randomized 'round the external stimuli that it feeds to its ravenous Ti nucleus. Combining the playfulness of the Ne with the empiricism of the Ti typically results in off-handed humor; creative analytics and (among others) a stodgy resistance to domination - both as ruler and subject. I don't find Haight in any of these dispositions.

Te is about control, first and foremost. Te demands proper evaluation of external variables as a method of confirming the suspicions of the Ni. This is typically why the NTJ appears so unusual to others; his thoughts tend to be a few cubits ahead of his words; his internal rhythm is played at a faster cadence than his fingers can flick.

Ni guesses what Te confirms;
While Ne giggles, Ti affirms.


I recognize familiar NTJ qualities within Haight's forum signatures.

Haight seems best an INTJ.

 

[Haight]

Thanks, night. That was helpful.

As were others*







*Not including the Nazi.

 

[nottaprettygal]

Yes, I based my answer on "feel" and tone. No logic involved in it really.

Male INTJ seem to have a misty, imaginative feel to them, their inner eye on their imaginations even when they have good Te going. I just don't get that vibe from Haight's posts. Ti feels more like the inner eye of the person is on truth, reason, solid.

There are no value judgments in my choice of words, just trying to put a feeling to words, which is really hard at times.

I think your post is pretty accurate. His posts suck in the sense that they reveal absolutely nothing (or completely false information) about himself. It was only after intense one-on-one conversations that I saw that imaginative, deep, and mysterious INTJ vibe.

In person, I think he's very different from how he is on the forum. . . except the sarcasm. That doesn't go away. So how he can actually ask people to judge his type, I dunno. I'm the ultimate judge, and I say INTJ because we're the exact same person.

 

[heart]

I think your post is pretty accurate. His posts suck in the sense that they reveal absolutely nothing (or completely false information) about himself. It was only after intense one-on-one conversations that I saw that imaginative, deep, and mysterious INTJ vibe.

In person, I think he's very different from how he is on the forum. . . except the sarcasm. That doesn't go away. So how he can actually ask people to judge his type, I dunno. I'm the ultimate judge, and I say INTJ because we're the exact same person.

Yes . My husband is INFJ and even his family doesn't see the person I do. My father was INTJ and he was way different around mother than other people.

 

[Usehername]

Wow. He's much more diabolical than those other INTJs if people actually think he cares about their opinions.

However, we were reading the rules of the INTJ forum the other day and were laughing about how unbelievably strict they were. Could it just be that he's a laid-back INTJ and feels that freedom of expression is more useful than a bunch of silly rules?

I think the INTJ forum sucks. The admin is the most moody INTJ I've ever met online and it's a bunch of posts saying "I have x trait. Therefore this must be an INTJ trait."

And it seems people there always fail to recall that INTJs are humans, and perhaps these traits are common among humans and not just INTJs.

Haight needs a new typology shirt, no?

 

[JAVO]

Because I believe the answer is complicated, although the question seems rather simple: What is the difference between an INTP with a weak P and an INTJ with a weak J?

Operationally, the situation and the mindset when it is encountered.

Edit: Change the options to check boxes, and I'll vote.

 

[PuddleRiver]

I don't find him to be scattered at all. When we moved in together, he had a ton of books and was pretty eager to buy bookshelves. Then he didn't want me to put them on the shelf because there is a special way that he likes to group them.

Ookay, I checked INTP in the poll, but I think I may be wrong. The book thingy is very J.