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    Quote Originally Posted by Viridian View Post
    You could write a 200-page paper on how WRONG this is. Some highlights:

    * Asperger's is not a mental illness, it's a condition that brings some cognitive advantages as well as some disadvantages;

    * People with Asperger's can be typed. It's not like they are insane or sociopathic or something;

    * In another thread, you said people with mental illnesses should be sterilized. What does that say about your attitude towards SI?

    * You essentially came in a thread SI made in order to discover more about himself, politely requesting feedback from others, to tell him he's defective and consequently untypeable;

    * By showing a great lack of tact towards SI, one of the sweetest guys I've met on this forum, you are essentially proving that an Aspie is kinder and more aware of how his attitude affects others than you, which makes your AS = illness theory crumble to dust.

    Why are you in this forum again?

    Rant over. Sorry about that.
    Aspergers brings no cognitive "advantages" that can't be achieved by people without it.

    Are you saying that Aspergers isn't an illness? What is it then? People who have Aspergers are worse at social interaction and social awareness than people without it. I'm not saying all people with Aspergers are bad people (and certainly they shouldn't be sterilized; that would be reserved for serious mental illnesses like bipolar and schizophrenia), but to say it's not an illness is absurd.
    “Tolerance is the virtue of the man without convictions.” - G. K. Chesterton

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    Originally posted by Perch420
    Aspergers brings no cognitive "advantages" that can't be achieved by people without it.

    Are you saying that Aspergers isn't an illness? What is it then? People who have Aspergers are worse at social interaction and social awareness than people without it. I'm not saying all people with Aspergers are bad people (and certainly they shouldn't be sterilized; that would be reserved for serious mental illnesses like bipolar and schizophrenia), but to say it's not an illness is absurd.
    When I said leave the thread, I meant that you stop posting in here. We're not going to derail my 'Type Me' thread into a "Aspergers and type' discussion. Gu-bie.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Perch420 View Post
    Aspergers brings no cognitive "advantages" that can't be achieved by people without it.

    Are you saying that Aspergers isn't an illness? What is it then? People who have Aspergers are worse at social interaction and social awareness than people without it. I'm not saying all people with Aspergers are bad people (and certainly they shouldn't be sterilized; that would be reserved for serious mental illnesses like bipolar and schizophrenia), but to say it's not an illness is absurd.
    They have great focus and can think in different ways than most people. Temple Grandin used her analytical, unusual mind to understand how cattle perceived the world, and combined it with her engineering skills to create more humane and efficient method of executing cattle for meat consumption.

    Also, not all of them are as socially awkward as the most extreme examples, and a lot of them develop those skills with age, allowing them to share their knowledge with the world.

    And with that, I hope I've closed this aside in an otherwise interesting thread; otherwise, you may quote me and challenge my arguments elsewhere.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Perch420 View Post
    Aspergers brings no cognitive "advantages" that can't be achieved by people without it.

    Are you saying that Aspergers isn't an illness? What is it then? People who have Aspergers are worse at social interaction and social awareness than people without it. I'm not saying all people with Aspergers are bad people (and certainly they shouldn't be sterilized; that would be reserved for serious mental illnesses like bipolar and schizophrenia), but to say it's not an illness is absurd.
    It's arguable. People who are trying to be a big pain in the a** think it's a serious mental illness. Others who realize there are mild differences, and that like all of us, life can be difficult no matter how you look at it and there are problems to overcome for everyone, just see it as no big deal, since aspies usually end up eccentric adults like many of us. It all comes out in the wash.

    It depends on what you think of as "cognitive advantages", because any differences are going to create advantages. Much like an estp has advantages over an istp in certain ways, and likewise.... you learn to work with what you have. I have mild dyslexia and adhd. But that's not stopping me.....and never has.

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    Originally posted by Viridian
    They have great focus and can think in different ways than most people. Temple Grandin used her analytical, unusual mind to understand how cattle perceived the world, and combined it with her engineering skills to create more humane and efficient method of executing cattle for meat consumption.

    Also, not all of them are as socially awkward as the most extreme examples, and a lot of them develop those skills with age, allowing them to share their knowledge with the world.

    And with that, I hope I've closed this aside in an otherwise interesting thread; otherwise, you may quote me and challenge my arguments elsewhere.
    Originally posted by ICUP
    It's arguable. People who are trying to be a big pain in the a** think it's a serious mental illness. Others who realize there are mild differences, and that like all of us, life can be difficult no matter how you look at it and there are problems to overcome for everyone, just see it as no big deal, since aspies usually end up eccentric adults like many of us. It all comes out in the wash.

    It depends on what you think of as "cognitive advantages", because any differences are going to create advantages. Much like an estp has advantages over an istp in certain ways, and likewise.... you learn to work with what you have. I have mild dyslexia and adhd. But that's not stopping me.....and never has.
    The truth. Keep this knowledge in mind for the future Perch, it's something you obviously need to learn.



    Now then, does anybody have any thoughts on my socionics type? SEI, ILE, something?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Savage Idealist View Post
    Now then, does anybody have any thoughts on my socionics type? SEI, ILE, something?
    I'm no good at socionics, but you may find this site useful.

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    Thanks for the link dude

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    Quote Originally Posted by Viridian View Post
    I'm no good at socionics, but you may find this site useful.
    thank you, because neither am i. very average at mbti and no good at all at socionics lol......although i find it all very insightful and interesting. good luck to you on typing, savage, because i won't be of any help at this time lol..... i gots a lot to learn too.

    (btw, pretty much think infp's are adorable (in a striking kindof way)). Always thought Kurt Cobain was so interesting and adorable..... and then later read that istp's think infp's are enigmas..... and pretty much agreed. It's like observing something you don't understand at all and being totally interested, and thinking it is amazing for what it is. Just the existence of it is enthralling and attractive.

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    Originally posted by ICUP
    thank you, because neither am i. very average at mbti and no good at all at socionics lol......although i find it all very insightful and interesting. good luck to you on typing, savage, because i won't be of any help at this time lol..... i gots a lot to learn too.
    Well as long as you were willing to assist me in my tpying then I am thankful

    (btw, pretty much think infp's are adorable (in a striking kindof way)). Always thought Kurt Cobain was so interesting and adorable..... and then later read that istp's think infp's are enigmas..... and pretty much agreed. It's like observing something you don't understand at all and being totally interested, and thinking it is amazing for what it is. Just the existence of it is enthralling and attractive.
    Agreed, INFP's are definitely adorable (although I heard Kurt was ISFP) or in my case adorakble


    As for the subtype descriptions, I relate fairly well to the ENTp and ISFp :/

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    Quote Originally Posted by Savage Idealist View Post
    Well as long as you were willing to assist me in my tpying then I am thankful



    Agreed, INFP's are definitely adorable (although I heard Kurt was ISFP) or in my case adorakble


    As for the subtype descriptions, I relate fairly well to the ENTp and ISFp :/
    Makes total sense.....

    Kurt I think was an infp but yea, I am not always right when it comes to typing.

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