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    Default ENFP or ENTP?

    So I have my type mostly settled -- 3/4 ain't bad right? :P (It feels so weird to type "ain't", possibly because I'm not an American and I can remember ever physically saying the word)

    I'm basically set on E, N and P. And Ne. The only profiles that tend to make sense are ENTP and ENFP (and I am excluding Kiersey because nothing fits there). Obviously you can shout any type you want at me, should be convinces I'm actually an ISxJ or something like that. But I digress.

    When I take online tests that give out percentages for the dichotomies, they're always skewed majorly towards N and P. I/E and T/F tend to approach even.

    I have consulted this page, and while I think I'm definitely Informing/Initiating (which obviously doesn't help me) and that I'm "Abstract", I can't determine with any confidence whether I'm Affiliative or Pragmatic, mostly because neither is good.

    So, I could read countless inventories and try to split hairs reading type profiles, but that kind of thing is inevitably unsatisfying. Does anyone have any ideas about how I can tease this apart?
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    * How do you handle conflicts?
    * What's your job/hobbies?
    Otherwise, I'll just follow this thread keenly - my husband is also either ENFP or ENTP.
    He works with computers, and right now he's constructing a miniature pyramid from copper wire in order to see if it can produce electricity (It's midnight where we live.) He's also into constructing/inventing alternative perpetuum mobiles. I think he's an ENTP by heart, but he grew up in a F family, and that may explain why he always has tested F.

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    Do you make decisions based on your own set of personal values, or on certain principles of logic?

    Do you go more by feelings or rationality?

    Ti or Fi (if you're unfamiliar with the cognitive functions, then check out this site: http://www.bestfittype.com/cognitiveprocesses.html, functions are down the page).

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    heh...I started a thread with the same title when I joined the forum.
    The truth is, the definitions of ENFP and ENTP are kind of retarded...they're way too similar.

    Ok, so if you are ENTP you have to be:

    Logical, the information which you receive must make sense in order to receive it. Do you get pissed if something makes no logical sense? Do you try making sense of it? Explaining things in a less blurry way?
    Do you have a thing for grammar?
    Are you empathic or not empathic? ENTPs are usually not very empathic and somewhat self absorbed.

    For instance if someone says:
    I hate fried potatoes. Do you want to know what makes him hate fried potatoes, since everybody likes fried potatoes, or has a neutral attitude towards them
    Assume the person replies: I just hate fried potatoes.
    Are you satisfied to this answer? Or are you compelled to say something like : That's not a reason to hate fried potatoes. You can't say I hate fried potatoes because I hate fried potatoes.
    Do you find it weird and slightly annoying when people love hate things to which you have an absolutely neutral attitude towards?

    Let's assume a crazy dude kills someone.
    Do you feel bad that things like this happen, that someone had the bad luck of being killed by some crazy fuck randomly. Do you engage in ethical discussions with others after this?

    Or do you want to know what made that guy go on a killing spree, not caring about the victim, nor the crazy fuck. You just wanna know what makes him a crazy fuck.

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    Situation: you're in a group situation, and someone's being a dick. Do you go up to their face and tell them off, or do you talk to everyone in the group, and undermine that person's credibility?

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    Quote Originally Posted by guesswho View Post
    For instance if someone says:
    I hate fried potatoes. Do you want to know what makes him hate fried potatoes, since everybody likes fried potatoes, or has a neutral attitude towards them
    Assume the person replies: I just hate fried potatoes.
    Are you satisfied to this answer? Or are you compelled to say something like : That's not a reason to hate fried potatoes. You can't say I hate fried potatoes because I hate fried potatoes.
    Do you find it weird and slightly annoying when people love hate things to which you have an absolutely neutral attitude towards?

    Let's assume a crazy dude kills someone.
    Do you feel bad that things like this happen, that someone had the bad luck of being killed by some crazy fuck randomly. Do you engage in ethical discussions with others after this?

    Or do you want to know what made that guy go on a killing spree, not caring about the victim, nor the crazy fuck. You just wanna know what makes him a crazy fuck.


    our types are really much too much alike. i'm curious about these things too. no answer to the potato question would also annoy me, and i love knowing why crazy people are crazy.

    you're totally right about the logic though. that's the thing that really separates us.

    Quote Originally Posted by onemoretime
    Situation: you're in a group situation, and someone's being a dick. Do you go up to their face and tell them off, or do you talk to everyone in the group, and undermine that person's credibility?
    GOOD ONE

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    Sorry about the long post! I thought this might be better than multiple posts.

    Quote Originally Posted by syntese View Post
    * How do you handle conflicts?
    I don't especially like them. I prefer everyone to be happy, with me and with each other. I feel very awkward when other people are having conflict and I do my best not to get involved. I'm not very good at dealing with my own conflicts, as soon as someone is mad at *me* I get shaky and speechless (I can't physically talk when I'm very upset).

    However, I am reasonably comfortable conflicting with strangers over the internet.

    * What's your job/hobbies?
    I am studying at a technical school with the aim of becoming a library technician. I work part-time teaching music, cataloguing books and doing accounts for an IT company.

    My hobbies are many --

    Arts: painting, listening/playing/composing music, writing
    Watching TV: crime shows, sci-fi, nature/history documentaries
    Reading: true crime, sci-fi/fantasy, nature/history/medical non-fiction.
    Gaming: nearly anything I can get my hands on or convince other people to play with me -- board games, card games, puzzle games, D&D, video games (usually platform games, arcade-style fighters, musical games, RPG/adventure, economic simulators). My most heavily-played game is WoW.

    Quote Originally Posted by Savage Idealist View Post
    Do you make decisions based on your own set of personal values, or on certain principles of logic?

    Do you go more by feelings or rationality?
    Ultimately both. I'd generally go with the logical principles first, but when it comes to interaction with other people they can be very irrational so I'd be hitting my head against a wall if I insisted on keeping with the logic.

    Ti or Fi (if you're unfamiliar with the cognitive functions, then check out this site: http://www.bestfittype.com/cognitiveprocesses.html, functions are down the page).
    I dunno. I'm a chaotic-neutral sort of person, so when you start talking about "principals" I start not identifying so much. I relate to Te much better than either of them. Plus, "red is a power colour" and "this outfit suits me and feel right" ... wtf?

    Quote Originally Posted by guesswho View Post
    heh...I started a thread with the same title when I joined the forum.
    The truth is, the definitions of ENFP and ENTP are kind of retarded...they're way too similar.

    Ok, so if you are ENTP you have to be:

    Logical, the information which you receive must make sense in order to receive it. Do you get pissed if something makes no logical sense? Do you try making sense of it? Explaining things in a less blurry way?
    Do you have a thing for grammar?
    I don't have any particular requirement for information to make sense before it gets to me, because I can make sense of things well enough on my own.

    In the event that it is truly nonsensical, my reaction depends on the situation. If it is something that is negatively my life (for example if my bf is mad at me for some irrational reason), my ire increases with the absurdity. However, in regular everyday situations I am generally amused. If a friend is delivering the nonsensical or poorly-thought-out information, then likely I'll gently tease them (perhaps for a long time afterwards if it was very memorable lol). I'm also very likely to say incredibly absurd things to make people laugh.

    Are you empathic or not empathic? ENTPs are usually not very empathic and somewhat self absorbed.

    For instance if someone says:
    I hate fried potatoes. Do you want to know what makes him hate fried potatoes, since everybody likes fried potatoes, or has a neutral attitude towards them
    Assume the person replies: I just hate fried potatoes.
    Are you satisfied to this answer? Or are you compelled to say something like : That's not a reason to hate fried potatoes. You can't say I hate fried potatoes because I hate fried potatoes.
    Do you find it weird and slightly annoying when people love hate things to which you have an absolutely neutral attitude towards?
    I am curious about where their attitude stems from, but I figure there's no accounting for taste. I don't see why I should be bothered about someone's attitude towards fried potatoes, however?

    Let's assume a crazy dude kills someone.
    Do you feel bad that things like this happen, that someone had the bad luck of being killed by some crazy fuck randomly. Do you engage in ethical discussions with others after this?

    Or do you want to know what made that guy go on a killing spree, not caring about the victim, nor the crazy fuck. You just wanna know what makes him a crazy fuck.
    I want to know what makes him a crazy fuck! But ethical discussions also. I can't help but feel you can't do one without the other? You'd miss too much and not get enough perspective if you did.

    Quote Originally Posted by onemoretime View Post
    Situation: you're in a group situation, and someone's being a dick. Do you go up to their face and tell them off, or do you talk to everyone in the group, and undermine that person's credibility?
    Depends on the manner of dickness. I stand up for people who are being unfairly harassed. Not so good at standing up for myself, however. Undermining a persons' credibility to the group is generally reserved for people already with low credibility, in which case it's more of a mutual bitch session.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Izix View Post
    Depends on the manner of dickness. I stand up for people who are being unfairly harassed. Not so good at standing up for myself, however. Undermining a persons' credibility to the group is generally reserved for people already with low credibility, in which case it's more of a mutual bitch session.
    ENFP. You're welcome.

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    Quote Originally Posted by onemoretime View Post
    ENFP. You're welcome.
    Thanks for the input. Could you please explain?
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    It's because you avoid conflict IRL but have no problem telling people off on the Internet.

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