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    But you really shouldn't type yourself by stereotypes, both ENFPs and ENTPs can exhibit passive-aggressive behavior of all kinds, or do things to annoy people. Some ENTPs are really nice and have wonderful Fe, while others are complete jackasses. Some ENFPs are passive and conflict-avoidant, others will bulldoze your ass with Te if you violate an Fi ethic (me).

    Study the functions. All else is futile and will just confuse you more. Never type yourself by the four dichotomies, or by being socially introverted or socially extroverted. Keirsey is also crap akin to astrological stereotypes, so please - for your own sanity - stick with Jungian cognitive theory. When you actually grasp it, it does make the most sense.

    You might want to eliminate what you DO NOT have...like I know I DO NOT have much Ti.

    Do you measure logic externally, do you think it's kind of batshit crazy to say logic is inside your head, and believe that reality can be best measured by checking with the outer world and by scientific observation?

    Do you feel things so strongly that you're overwhelmed sometimes, and then form your moral or ethical principles from that? Or do you tend to look to others for what is ethically correct?

    ENFPs are kind of into mirroring and can be blend-y with people, which can look a bit like Fe, but it's not, because those ethics undeniably come from inside you, you will have an almost VISCERAL sense of right and wrong.

    Hope this helps.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Izix View Post
    Thanks for the input. Could you please explain?
    All about the tertiary - i.e. how you handle situations that your primary and secondary can't take care of. That's important, because you're unaware of your primary, and only have a partial cognizance of the secondary. Your answer suggested that you take a Te approach in these situations - standing up to the person and trying to correct him or her. The other approach would be the Fe approach, which uses group dynamics to neutralize the problem.

    Hope that helps.

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    i agree...you sound enfp to me.
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    Are you more interested in people systems or impersonal systems?

    One of the major differences between me and an ENFP friend of mine (though we are quite similar) is that she's really perceptive about people and what makes them tick and puts a lot of energy into being a part of that and figuring those things out. Me, I can see the system, acknowledge it, but ultimately I find it pretty boring. I'm more interested in the framework of how a company works not the dynamic of the interactions of the people working within it. That sort of thing.

    Also, yeah, read up on functions and stuff. I've heard ENFPs say (and Marmie Dearest just reiterated it) they don't understand how logic can be determined internally (Ti) and I don't really understand the merit of values being determined internally (Fi). ENFPs utilize Fi and Te (no Ti) and ENTPs utilize Ti and Fe (no Fi).

    And if it helps, I find that ENFPs are more sensitive than ENTPs. If someone trods on their values, they can be surprisingly cold and analytical (usually with holes in their logic where they try to insert their ideals as truths). It's like ENFPs are either "warm and cuddly" or "cold as ice", while I'm usually neither here nor there - simultaneously "warm and charming" and "cold, detached and impersonal."

    ENFPs are good at analysing their feelings, so I can see how that could appear "Thinkery" but in the end it's just an attempt to logically justify something inherently subjective. I'm good at appearing to be really into someone and connecting with them (and I can understand how that would appear "Feely") but in the end it's mostly just a ruse/appearance. I very rarely feel deeply connected with people and that doesn't bother me one bit.

    Also, my ENFP friend tends to expend a great deal of effort finding the right word for how she feels, while I spend a great deal of effort finding the right words for my ideas. Both Fi and Ti are built on the concept of a holistic "framework" so trying to find the right words is congruent with trying to find just the right place for something in that framework.

    Anyway, I'm not going to pretend to know you enough to pass judgment on which preferences you have, but hopefully something in what I wrote will help you determine that for yourself.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Marmie Dearest View Post
    Keirsey is also crap akin to astrological stereotypes, so please - for your own sanity - stick with Jungian cognitive theory. When you actually grasp it, it does make the most sense.
    Duly noted!

    Do you measure logic externally, do you think it's kind of batshit crazy to say logic is inside your head, and believe that reality can be best measured by checking with the outer world and by scientific observation?
    I have to say that I believe that neither empiricism nor logic alone is enough to arrive at truth, though I think they're both valid they're certainly not the only valid means either.

    Though I have no particularly strong logical or empirical reason for saying so, haha ... I just think that neither gives the whole picture, and in some cases just allow you to be totally wrong with confidence! People have thought some very rational things using empirical or proto-empirical though, and turned out to be very, very wrong. People have also used their internal logic to say incredibly nonsensical things (ontological argument, anyone? not that I'm holding up St. Anselm as a brilliant philosopher or anything).

    I figure it's better to take both into account and get the gestalt. At least that feels more satisfying.

    Do you feel things so strongly that you're overwhelmed sometimes, and then form your moral or ethical principles from that? Or do you tend to look to others for what is ethically correct?
    I tend to start out thinking that I would feel a certain way about something, which I guess is internal, but if something comes up and I discover I feel differently, of course I have to change my mind.

    I tend not to think in terms of "ethical correctness" though, because situations are so complex and diverse it's hard to come up with something that has totally universal application like "niceness" (but what does that even mean?), the application of which is going to be situational anyway.

    Maybe "ethical usefulness"?
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    Quote Originally Posted by allegorystory View Post
    It's like ENFPs are either "warm and cuddly" or "cold as ice", while I'm usually neither here nor there - simultaneously "warm and charming" and "cold, detached and impersonal."
    i have come to the same conclusion

    Fi/Te, being subjective-subjective/objective-objective, tends to operate warm-or-cold (though even our "cold" is rather... well... spiky), while Fe/Ti, being objective-subjective/subjective-objective, tends to operate warm-and-cold.

    izix, i lean towards ENFP for you as well.

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    Quote Originally Posted by skylights View Post
    izix, i lean towards ENFP for you as well.
    Ahaha...I'm inclined to say ENTP.

    Let the battle begin!

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    very good post by the entp chick(?) there...totally agree.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Izix View Post
    Duly noted!



    I have to say that I believe that neither empiricism nor logic alone is enough to arrive at truth, though I think they're both valid they're certainly not the only valid means either.

    Though I have no particularly strong logical or empirical reason for saying so, haha ... I just think that neither gives the whole picture, and in some cases just allow you to be totally wrong with confidence! People have thought some very rational things using empirical or proto-empirical though, and turned out to be very, very wrong. People have also used their internal logic to say incredibly nonsensical things (ontological argument, anyone? not that I'm holding up St. Anselm as a brilliant philosopher or anything).

    I figure it's better to take both into account and get the gestalt. At least that feels more satisfying.
    Well, of course, that's the wise mature thing to do. I think that as well. Te fails miserably sometimes with it's exterior over-arching generalizations, and Ti can work itself into batshit circular logic if the original premise is flawed. Both are needed.

    But Te just makes so much sense to me, internally, as an individual. Te looks like survival, common sense, and staying in touch with reality to me. Te looks like force and practicality. Te is useful. Of course, I think it's only natural for someone with Fi dom-aux to believe that the measurement of logic MUST come from somewhere out there, because it sure as heck ain't in me.



    I tend to start out thinking that I would feel a certain way about something, which I guess is internal, but if something comes up and I discover I feel differently, of course I have to change my mind.

    I tend not to think in terms of "ethical correctness" though, because situations are so complex and diverse it's hard to come up with something that has totally universal application like "niceness" (but what does that even mean?), the application of which is going to be situational anyway.

    Maybe "ethical usefulness"?
    You sound ENFP to me. Ethical usefulness makes sense to me, too. Ethical correctness seems Fe to me, which would lean toward ENTP.

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