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    FWIW, I feel a lot of 9 vibe, Fi not so much.
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    I don't know you well, but I've never gotten an SJ vibe from you.

    I think p types (especially Ne ones) prefer having some limits set because otherwise you will just sit there motionless thinking of the 12 million ways something can play out.

    Maybe you are more like an INtP.

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    Those limits are called "Si."

    Without it to balance our Ne we'd have to have baby-sitters.

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    Quote Originally Posted by PeaceBaby View Post
    FWIW, I feel a lot of 9 vibe, Fi not so much.
    Yeah I mean I'm sure if she read Jung's descriptions of the Introverted Thinking and Introverted Feeling personalities she would be absolutely certain of one or the other.

    Since she's leaning more decisively toward Ti, I'll just throw in here that sometimes the OP strikes me as a "softer" NTP like Luna Lumanosity.

    I would most likely believe INTP, but only she knows for sure if she has Fi or Ti.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Marmie Dearest View Post
    Those limits are called "Si."

    Without it to balance our Ne we'd have to have baby-sitters.
    Ahh thats what Si is. Is that the part of me that's magical and pure?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Saturned View Post
    Ahh thats what Si is. Is that the part of me that's magical and pure?
    Maybe. But mainly Si is Ne's babysitter, telling the kids that maybe playing tag in the dark or putting fireworks in the microwave isn't such a good idea

    Maybe SuchIrony has developed a good babysitter...

    Quote Originally Posted by Marmie Dearest View Post
    Yeah I mean I'm sure if she read Jung's descriptions of the Introverted Thinking and Introverted Feeling personalities she would be absolutely certain of one or the other.

    Since she's leaning more decisively toward Ti, I'll just throw in here that sometimes the OP strikes me as a "softer" NTP like Luna Lumanosity.

    I would most likely believe INTP, but only she knows for sure if she has Fi or Ti.
    Yeah, she does strike me as a softer NTP, like.... wait just a second there :P Just what is "soft" here? Sure I appreciate cute kittens and sugary sweets a little too much but I am also a whole lot of trouble

    Anyway, yeah, I'm going with soft INTP with good Si babysitter at this point, based on what you have said.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Saturned View Post
    Ahh thats what Si is. Is that the part of me that's magical and pure?
    LOL. Si is a subjective set of internal sensory impressions. Some examples of Si working in the real world, "This food doesn't taste right." You can cook (hypothetically) because you remember seemingly instinctively how to make your favorite meals without a recipe, and know exactly what is "missing" by tasting what you're making. You can tell if something is "off" and doesn't taste the way you know it "should" taste.

    Or the picture is crooked. Or this film doesn't align with your particular standards of aesthetics. You may have a very particular preference for how music should sound or how art should look, or a particular flavor of wine you always drink.

    You may also store past experiences and facts kind of like a filing cabinet in your mind, and retrieve them in a linear fashion.

    Mostly though, Si is an internal set of subjective sensory impressions. It is not the same thing as strength of memory though it does rely on past experience.

    Si doms may take great pleasure in knowing every single little detail about their favorite subject or chosen field. They will hesitate and examine new information carefully to see how it aligns with their internal filing cabinet data base.

    Si can concern itself often with things like health, safety, and security.

    Si related neuroses may manifest in the form of either A) fearing things will always be repetitively the same OR B) conversely, things will be an out-of-control threat to your safety/security/familiar way of being.

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    Quote Originally Posted by The_World_As_Will View Post
    ah, that was very insightful thanks and y'know I actually think you might be an INFP, what jumped out to me is the hating open ended questions thing, that seems very much like inferior Te, you also mentioned the rumination thing that occurs, thats typical of INFPs as well, much more so than INTPs but it does occur (it occurs with me, but not to the extent to which you described). I think you may relate to the paul james INTP profile, and if you are an INFP, that would make sense, as the functions are quite similar, and well both types are quite similar. I don't really get an SJ vibe from you honestly, I see an Fi-Si loop, and if anything the hypersensitivity is more pronounced being a 5-9, hell I'm one and i'm pretty sensitive. Have you gotten any ISFJ's opinions of this? lurk around the SJ section, I think you will find your answer, but yeah i agree SJ types aren't really well-represented. I'm sure it must be really confusing for you though, you'll find you're answer soon enough, but yeah I'm thinking INFP.
    INFP is the third type I've been seriously considering. Not as much as ISFJ. I think I'm more of an Fe user than an Fi user now that I understand the cognitive functions better. Still not totally ruling out INFP though. INFP was suggested for me by a couple of forum members here a while back. I have asked ISFJs over on Personality Cafe and one thought ISFJ, one seemed noncommital in response (only you can decide), one wasn't sure, and one was certain I was INTP or ISFJ but not sure which. The biggest difference between me and the ISFJs is that most of them don't relate nearly as much to Ne as I do.


    Quote Originally Posted by Marmie Dearest View Post
    If your Fe is that low, I doubt you're an ISFJ.

    I know someone who keeps claiming ISFJ who always tests much higher in Fi than Fe, though. He's totally an Si dom. He can't be anything other than an ISFJ or an ISTJ who is really really deep inside his tertiary feeling function to the point of not fully utilizing his Te.

    But he scores higher on Te on Ti, so this is very suspect.

    Still, he swears ISFJ.

    *headdesk*

    I think you're INTP or INFP. INFP could be the possibility that's overlooked here, and you're just using a ton of Si.

    I have a lot of Si for an ENFP.
    Yeah, my strong Si is what makes this all so confusing. I took a functions test and scored low on Fe yet I know function tests aren't very good. The Keys to Cognition one has some Fe questions that I don't think strong introverts like myself would relate much to because they involve more of a social facilitator role. I also think that same test tends to overrestimate Fi. My Fi was much greater than Fe on that test.


    Quote Originally Posted by PeaceBaby View Post
    FWIW, I feel a lot of 9 vibe, Fi not so much.
    I definitely have a lot of 9. I'm kind of unsure of my enneagram type at this moment as well. Do you think I'm more 9 than 5?

    Quote Originally Posted by Saturned View Post
    I don't know you well, but I've never gotten an SJ vibe from you.

    I think p types (especially Ne ones) prefer having some limits set because otherwise you will just sit there motionless thinking of the 12 million ways something can play out.

    Maybe you are more like an INtP.
    Why don't you see SJ?

    Quote Originally Posted by Marmie Dearest View Post
    LOL. Si is a subjective set of internal sensory impressions. Some examples of Si working in the real world, "This food doesn't taste right." You can cook (hypothetically) because you remember seemingly instinctively how to make your favorite meals without a recipe, and know exactly what is "missing" by tasting what you're making. You can tell if something is "off" and doesn't taste the way you know it "should" taste.

    Or the picture is crooked. Or this film doesn't align with your particular standards of aesthetics. You may have a very particular preference for how music should sound or how art should look, or a particular flavor of wine you always drink.

    You may also store past experiences and facts kind of like a filing cabinet in your mind, and retrieve them in a linear fashion.

    Mostly though, Si is an internal set of subjective sensory impressions. It is not the same thing as strength of memory though it does rely on past experience.

    Si doms may take great pleasure in knowing every single little detail about their favorite subject or chosen field. They will hesitate and examine new information carefully to see how it aligns with their internal filing cabinet data base.

    Si can concern itself often with things like health, safety, and security.

    Si related neuroses may manifest in the form of either A) fearing things will always be repetitively the same OR B) conversely, things will be an out-of-control threat to your safety/security/familiar way of being.
    Good explanation. This is a good description of how Si manifests in myself.
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    The strong Si traits would be from the tertiary. The tertiary often "inflates" itself and becomes strong. And since Si is a "J" (Je/Pi) function, it might increase J traits. Like I identified to some extent with the "need for closure" on one of the tests (Keirsey?) and this would be connected with tertiary Si, but otherwise, I'm typical P in not demanding as much of the closure J's usually want.

    Also, having more sensitivity than other INTP's would seem to be from you being Supine rather than Phlegmatic (which is what the typical INTP profile is based on). That temperament is a lot more sensitive than the Phlegmatic, which is usually indifferent and can take people or leave them. I had explained all of this before.
    Sensitivity is not necessarily F. Like we're discussing over on PerC in one or two threads about extraversion and functions, temperament (Including Interaction Style) also shapes some of these behaviors, apart from functions.

    And personal experience affects these things as well.
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    About emotional sensitivity, I don't think it's all that unusual. I recall a thread on INTP central about 'Highly Sensitive Persons' and there were actually quite a few INTPs who identified with these traits. That's one reason my post in this thread specifically listed things that were "anti-stereotypical" rather than "atypical". I think quite a few traits that run counter to stereotype actually aren't as unusual as people think, and that goes for other types as well. Based purely on my own observations, it seems Fs tend to be on the sensitive side, but Ts can really be all over the place.

    Anyway, do you relate all that strongly to either of the Feeling functions? Do you read other poster's descriptions about what really bothers Fe users, or what's important to an Fi user, and think, "Yes! That's me"? That's what makes an F, not emotional sensitivity. Although the kind of things you're sensitive to, and why, can sometimes give you a clue.

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