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    I would want some input from you to clarify the matter about my introversion/extraversion.

    In tests I result introverted, but I don't know if it's true.
    Can you give me your opinion?

    For example, with my family, girlfriend, close friends, I am very talkative, I take initiative, I am at easy in talking about all things, play with words, debating, brain storming.
    With other people I am introverted because I contain myself very often and I don't speak my mind because I was educated by my ISFJ mom to be always respectful with people, not give bad impression, don't talk too much, don't say stupid things and so on, because I was a child spontaneous and abrasive.

    So that education give me a double personality that I have mantained in my entire 30-something life. Quite crazy with close people and generally contained with others.
    But being crazy with close people comes spontanous and I feel good, being contained with others make me tense.

    Then, I feel good being alone, and I stay alone a lot of hours, but I need always some stimulation, books, news, computer, surfing the web, music.
    If I stay too much only with my own thought I get depressed easily. Even if I don't talk with anyone, for example, I need watching people, watching new things, walking in the middle of a city, go to the cinema or theatre. I get upset if I am ill and I can't go out for a walk in a couple of days. I couldn't live in the country or in an isolated place always with the same things.

    Also, i could be introverted because I like my privacy, I don't like unexpected visit at home. I don't like small talk about stupid things with people I have nothing in common. But as I said, I like talking or chatting with people and arguments I like and I get energized.

    i don't know how write more now... What you think? Ask something if you want.
    Thanks.

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    Are you initiating or responding? Active or reflective? Expressive or subdued? "How you relate to the environment" or "how the environment applies to you"?

    http://www.interactionstyles.com/

    Behind-the-Scenes, Chart-the-Course, Get-Things-Going, or In-Charge?

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    You could also look at this:
    http://www.pastoral-counseling-cente...-inclusion.htm

    This temperament would correspond to a Behind the Scenes, as would a Phlegmatic. However, there is more of an extraverted energy in how much he "responds" to others, or wants (which would correspond to "informing' on the Interaction Styles, rather than "responding".
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    Thanks for sharing, Eric. I think I might be a supine temperament type. Most of that stuff applied to me.
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    as an "introverted extravert" - that is, a socially quiet person who nevertheless focuses more on the external world, i like the definitions for cognitive introversion/extraversion better than social I/E. basically, the cognitive I/E split asks, do you focus more on:

    the world external to your mind - incoming information and/or outgoing speech, actions, etc. that impact the world?

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    the world internal to your mind - how you store and assess information and how you make judgments about yourself?


    ENxPs in particular tend to end up being more socially-introverted cognitive extraverts while ISxPs in particular seem to end up being more socially-extraverted cognitive introverts.

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    You sound like an introvert with possible Se or Te aux. Se, because you enjoy outside stimulation, though somewhat of a closed off type. Te, because you enjoy debating and brainstorming.

    I'd personally type you as ISTP from what I read. Ti/Se. But the other possibility is INTJ, in my opinion.

    Introverts are generally pretty extroverted when around people they are very comfortable with. Sometimes it's just fun to act before you think, and it gives you room to tap into whatever extroverted auxiliary function you may have.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Noon View Post
    http://www.interactionstyles.com/
    Behind-the-Scenes, Chart-the-Course, Get-Things-Going, or In-Charge?
    I relate with Chart-the-Course highly.
    Then sometimes In-Charge.
    The last Behind-the-scene and Get-Things-Going for opposite reasons, because they seem too much to the extreme in calmness patience for best results/process the former, and the too much enthusiastic, participative, catalyst the latter.
    Thanks.

    Quote Originally Posted by Eric B View Post
    Could I be Supine Temperament? Don't know. I somewhat relate, somewhat doesn't. The description seems too much passive...
    Also, I don't want to be approached by most of people (My inner circle is enough) and I really don't respond a lot in recognition, guilt, punishment for example. Thanks.

    Quote Originally Posted by Skylights View Post
    the world external to your mind - incoming information and/or outgoing speech, actions, etc. that impact the world?

    or

    the world internal to your mind - how you store and assess information and how you make judgments about yourself?
    The second one. Thanks.

    Quote Originally Posted by IndyAnnaJoan View Post
    I'd personally type you as ISTP from what I read. Ti/Se. But the other possibility is INTJ, in my opinion.
    I have a strong N, mainly Ni but also Ne are pretty high. In tests function I results INTJ, but in tests about letters P/J I results often INTP because I am quite lazy, procrastinating, sometimes don't finish what I start and I change my mind.
    So sometimes I think I could be also an ENTP, who are descripted as the most introverted of extraverted.
    I am a lot confused, but I am quite sure that one between INTP, ENTP or INTJ is my type. Really I have never considered other types for me. Thanks.

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    Quote Originally Posted by SuchIrony View Post
    Thanks for sharing, Eric. I think I might be a supine temperament type. Most of that stuff applied to me.
    OK! Again, if you're INTP, then that's Behind the Scenes, and it would fit. It would also explain your slogan of being a "nicer T". Most INTP's are probably Phlegmatic, and more socially indifferent ("take 'em or leave 'em") than a Supine.

    Wondering if this also fits:
    http://www.pastoral-counseling-cente...ic-control.htm (this is the leadership and responsibilities area and would correspond to the Keirsey temperament, where the first one was social skills or Interaction Style).

    Quote Originally Posted by Malcontent View Post
    I relate with Chart-the-Course highly.
    Then sometimes In-Charge.
    The last Behind-the-scene and Get-Things-Going for opposite reasons, because they seem too much to the extreme in calmness patience for best results/process the former, and the too much enthusiastic, participative, catalyst the latter.
    Thanks.

    Could I be Supine Temperament? Don't know. I somewhat relate, somewhat doesn't. The description seems too much passive...
    Also, I don't want to be approached by most of people (My inner circle is enough) and I really don't respond a lot in recognition, guilt, punishment for example. Thanks.
    Well, if you say you identify with CtC (and "highly", at that) or In Charge, then that suggests Melancholy or Choleric.
    These are the "directive" temperaments, and the thing with them, is not that they never respond to people, but that people must meet a criteria for them to respond. (Where the Supine or Sanguine will respond to just about anyone who approaches them, and the Phlegmatic, again, is "take 'em or leave 'em").

    So apparently, your criteria is those people close to you. Being an "introvert" with others can mean either low expressiveness or responsiveness (or both). Ultimately, responsiveness is what we really want, while expressiveness is what we say we want.

    In this system, you can also be inbetween in expressiveness. (Basically ambiverted; between CtC and In Charge) In the social area that would be these two:
    http://www.pastoral-counseling-cente...-inclusion.htm
    http://www.pastoral-counseling-cente...-inclusion.htm
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    Quote Originally Posted by Eric B View Post
    Well, if you say you identify with CtC (and "highly", at that) or In Charge, then that suggests Melancholy or Choleric.
    These are the "directive" temperaments, and the thing with them, is not that they never respond to people, but that people must meet a criteria for them to respond. (Where the Supine or Sanguine will respond to just about anyone who approaches them, and the Phlegmatic, again, is "take 'em or leave 'em").

    So apparently, your criteria is those people close to you. Being an "introvert" with others can mean either low expressiveness or responsiveness (or both). Ultimately, responsiveness is what we really want, while expressiveness is what we say we want.

    In this system, you can also be inbetween in expressiveness. (Basically ambiverted; between CtC and In Charge) In the social area that would be these two:
    http://www.pastoral-counseling-cente...-inclusion.htm
    http://www.pastoral-counseling-cente...-inclusion.htm
    Thanks Eric,
    I read all the "Inclusion reports" and it's difficult choose for sure which apply me the most. Many reports have a lot of similitude.
    But I could say that I see myself a lot in the description with melancholy-association.
    Maybe the first one is "Phlegmatic/Melancholy".
    But it depends for the situation, I can see myself also in "Melancholy" and "Melancholy/Phlegmatic"
    Thanks, bye.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Eric B View Post
    OK! Again, if you're INTP, then that's Behind the Scenes, and it would fit. It would also explain your slogan of being a "nicer T". Most INTP's are probably Phlegmatic, and more socially indifferent ("take 'em or leave 'em") than a Supine.

    Wondering if this also fits:
    http://www.pastoral-counseling-cente...ic-control.htm (this is the leadership and responsibilities area and would correspond to the Keirsey temperament, where the first one was social skills or Interaction Style).
    I've bolded the parts of choleric that particularly fit and italicized what partly fits.

    Control: Choleric

    Control asks two questions:


    1. How many people do I want to control?
    2. How many people will I allow to control me?

    General description of people who are Choleric in Control:


    1. Extremely independent.
    2. When undertaking a task, he/she wants complete control over it, tolerating very little interference from other people.
    3. Must have a great deal of control over the lives and behaviors of other people, but will tolerate almost no control over his/her life and behavior.
    4. Very strong willed.
    5. Must receive recognition for accomplishments.

    Choleric Control
    potential strengths which should be encouraged, used and developed:



    1. Makes quick, intuitive decisions.
    2. Very good leadership capabilities -- the number of decisions and responsibilities this person is capable of handling would make other temperaments cringe.
    3. Very confident in his/her abilities.
    4. Willing to take on leadership role, to solve problems and move forward.

    Choleric Control
    Potential weaknesses which should be considered and dealt with:
    (Reminder: Cholerics have a very hard time admitting they might be wrong, so it is difficult for them to consider their weaknesses.)



    1. Very controlling (may be bossy.)
    2. Highly susceptible to burn out because of overload.
    3. Capable of undertaking very poor behaviors in order to maintain control of others -- such as intimidation, yelling, etc.
    4. May associate with people who can be dominated and then end up resenting their weakness
    5. Perfectionist -- highly critical of self and others, especially when his/her perfectionistic standards are not realized.
    6. Externalizes his/her anger and uses it to lash out at others.
    7. May have a cruel, abusive temper -- becomes angry if controlled, told what to do, or if someone interferes with his independence.


    Overall choleric doesn't fit me that well. I could care less about controlling others and I'm pretty even tempered. I don't seek leadership but can be a good leader when the situation entails it.
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