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    Default At least I'm sure I'm N and P... or, well, can one ever be sure?

    So, ever since I first got into MBTI through someone linking me to one of these internet tests, I’ve “known” I’m an INTP. After a while I got more into the theory and learned about Jung’s cognitive functions (Fi, Te, Si and so on, I don’t know if there’s a better word for them). Me having Ti-Ne-Si-Fe made sense to me, and I didn’t give it that much thought. Then my interest in MBTI faded for a while.

    Now, however, my interest is back, and I have some doubts. I’m wondering if I’m instead of INTP is an ENTP or an INFP (or, by extension, an ENFP, I guess). I have a few different reasons for my doubt. The ENTP thing is partly due to the Enneagram and partly due to me thinking about my functions more in depth.

    I’ve never really gotten into the Enneagram because it feels too arbitrary to me. However, I decided to give it a chance and really think it through properly. Now, the thing is that while the description of the behaviour of 5 fit me, the motivations do not, and my Enneagram savvy friend tells me the Enneagram is mainly about motivations. Looking at those, the best fitting type is 7. But the instant reaction from most people when I mention INTP and 7 I the same sentence seems to be “You sure you’re not ENTP instead?”. And well, no, I’m not sure.

    Also, as I mentioned, it’s the thing about the functions. What first got me thinking was the fact that I use Fe so much, more than I (consciously) use Si even. I chalked it down to me having grown up around loads of Fs and also to the fact that while I may use Fe more than Si, I still find it more draining. However, I’m not so sure about that last thing, and the more I thought about it, the more I started thinking about Ne and Ti too. Maybe I do use Ne more than Ti? How do I tell?

    I’ve always figured my dad’s and ENTP, however, and if our discussions are any indication, I’m more INTP (than him, at least). How it usually goes is that he’s talking about something, and then I sit and think about it a while before I say something, and then, at the second I shut up, he starts talking again. That would sound like me introverting to use Ti before I answer, while he jumps right to new Ne possibilities immediately, right?

    Anyways, on to my INFP worries. Now, this comes totally from an outside source. There was someone who told me that I present more like an INFP than an INTP, and well… I can’t really go outside and look at myself, so I’m asking for what you think, and maybe some foolproof way to determine, if there is one. I don’t think I have Fi, it sounds very alien to me, but maybe it’s because I’ve mixed it up with Ti.

    Thanks in advance! (Ohai there Fe...)

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    Well Ne doms are often known as the "introverted extraverts" in that Ne is centered around ideas more so then people, thus giving the impression that they appear introverted. It's also possible that you lesser funtions are of near equal strenth, while your main funtion are the same. This can also make it confusing to a certain degree as to what type you may be.

    As for the INFP thing, if your confused on wether you use Fi or Ti more, then it would also be important to consider that the INFP uses Te rather than Fe.

    Also this test may reveal some insightful results: http://www.keys2cognition.com/explore.htm

    EDIT: YAY post 400!

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    Thanks for the reply!

    Yeah, I've done that test a few times (because I never remember to save my results) and I tend to get "Excellent use" for both Ne and Ti, Ne often a bit higher, and then Good use for Fi and Si and Average use for Fe, Te and Se and then Unused for Ni. And the result INTP, but check out ENTP and INFP too >.< I identify more with Ti than with Ne, though. Ne is fun and all, but Ti is where it's at.

    And the Fi question is more about how I come off, because either I have correct understanding of the functions and am an INTP, or I have an incorrect understanding of them, and then it won't really help how much I think about it, because the conclusion can't be right if the facts are wrong.

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    Well seing as how your Ti and Ne seem to be of near equal strength, with Si being slightly stronger then Fe, I'd say INTP for you. Although with an equal Ne+TI as well as good use of the Fi could the peronality factors of ENTP and INFP can certainly overlap a bit as well.

    Distinguishing between Ti and Fi can be a little tricky in some respects, but when it comes stright down to it one is more value focused while the other is more logic focused.

    These are from http://www.bestfittype.com/cognitiveprocesses.html:

    Introverted Thinking: Analyzing; categorizing; evaluating according to principles and whether something fits the framework or model; figuring out the principles on which something works; checking for inconsistencies; clarifying definitions to get more precision. Analyzing your options using principles like comfort or “Red is a power color.”

    Introverted Feeling: Valuing; considering importance and worth; reviewing for incongruity; evaluating something based on the truths on which it is based; clarifying values to achieve accord; deciding if something is of significance and worth standing up for. Evaluating whether you like an outfit or not: “This outfit suits me and feels right.”

    Whichever you seem to use more should indicate the precisness of you type.

    Hope that helps.

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    Reading that I think Ti fits better; the Fi one are just words to me, I can read them but not relate them to myself.

    Thanks for the help, I think I'll keep calling myself INTP.

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    Anytime.

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    With my necromancy powers I revive this thread, because its purpose has been renewed.

    So, recently, in thi thread, where I asked for help with determining my Enneatype, some doubts about me being INTP were voiced. I turned out a 7w8, and it was pointed out that ENTP is more likely in combination with that Enneatype. I do however think this is a better place to discuss my MBTI type than that thread.

    I figure the best way of doing this is describing my interactions with and comparing myself to my father, an ENTP. I love discussing things with him, because he’s full of interesting ideas and insights, and also is more knowledgeable than me about many things, due to the advantage of being some 38 years older. Ever since I was little, these discussions have followed a certain pattern, even though my active part in them has grown with time. Here’s a simplified formula of how they tend to develop:

    I: [Ask a specific question about some subject I’ve been thinking about recently]
    F: [Starts talking immediately, throwing out whatever comes to his mind with a lot of “maybes”, jumping back and forth, retracting some things and adding others and just generally Ne-ing]
    I: [Just absorb, until I notice an inconsistency, then cut him short] But if _________, aren’t ___________ and __________ both impossible?
    F: Oh, yes, but then maybe [goes of again]. What do you think?
    I: [Think the whole issue through for a while, weighing in all the new input I’ve gotten and comparing it to my former views on the matter, and then present my conclusion.]
    F: [Immediately goes off again, with associations to what I said.]
    I: [Cut him short again] But that doesn’t go with what you said about _________ last weak [Repeat what he said from memory]
    F: Oh… Well, that does indeed sound like something I would say. Pretty smart, don’t you think? But you’re right, it doesn’t go with __________, unless [Offs again].

    And so on.

    He has often stated that he thinks best by talking to someone. My role in the conversations, besides adding new material to my own worldview, is noticing contradictions, either in what he’s currently saying, it’s relation to reality or to what he said at some other time. He also often amazes me with his ability to seemingly effortlessly adjust himself to people he’s talking to in a way that makes them feel at ease and fits with their own behaviour and way of talking. On the other hand, he is hopeless when it comes to remembering things he has said before, and I sometimes amuse myself with discussing the same issue with him a few different times and notice what stays the same and what changes in his opinions. He never notices me doing this.

    In comparison, before I start speculating about something, I always process eventual new information and (regardless if I’ve recently gotten new input or not) think my current views on the matter through. I’d say that I introvert to think (if possible, preferably alone and in silence) and I always hesitate to get into a discussion unless I know where I stand on the issue beforehand. Also, I often feel awkward when I have to interact with people who are not much like me. And I obviously remember facts, former discussions and so on better than him.

    I’d see this as me having higher Ti and Si, and lower Ne and Fe than he does. Is this a sound analysis? If so, does that mean I’m INTP, or could I just be a less strongly expressed ENTP? Is this method of determining type completely off?

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    Many ENTPs are "less strongly expressed" to begin with so that part compares easily with ENTPs even if you don't relate to your father.

    I like these: http://www.bestfittype.com/entp.html, http://www.bestfittype.com/intp.html

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    Yeah, I tried to put down a comparision with a very expressed INTP too, for balance, but I couldn't find as clear a pattern in my interactions with him and it just turned into "Well, sometimes it's like this but sometimes it isn't" and then the comparision was basically "I think he's smarter than me but he thinks the opposite and he fails more at social interaction but that's probably beacuse he used to be bullied" and all in all it just sounded like "Look guize I'm ttly liek this person".

    I read the two links you posted, and, well... The INTP one rings more true to me, but that could just be that I'm so used to thinking of myself as an INTP that I've internalised the descriptions into my view of myself. I can see myself in the ENTP too, nothing they said clashed with who I think I am, even though they probably wouldn't be the first things I'd mention if I was asked the same questions.

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    I really struggled with INTP/ENTP myself although in the end I simply could not question being a Ne-dom. One thing that helped me was watching myself in social situations, even though I'm not "out there" and chatty I would leave many/most social events with more energy than I started with, being around people sure does energise me but due to my personal image of being an "introvert" I couldn't see my MBTI preference until I paid close attention to it.

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