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    Honestly, an equally intelligent ISTJ and INTJ with well-developed Te would be pretty tough to tell apart, particularly in the workplace.

    ...in personal relationships, that one-letter difference causes us to drive each other insane. Our actions can be similar, but our motivations are quite different.

    If the person you're attempting to type is looking to be a pillar of strength to the workplace/community/etc., he's most likely an ISTJ. If he's working to realize some secret plan which he refuses to tell anybody about, you've likely found yourself an INTJ. (This can be misleading, however; if the INTJ doesn't trust you, he'll swear up and down that he does everything he does for the sake of being a pillar of strength to the workplace/community/etc. Business-minded INTJs, in particular, are perfectly willing to blend.)

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    ...in personal relationships, that one-letter difference causes us to drive each other insane. Our actions can be similar, but our motivations are quite different.
    Yes, that's why it's hard to tell the difference. I don't know his motivations because he is so secretive. All I can read are the 'tones' of his interactions, and even those may be incorrect.

    He is either an ISTJ, or an INTJ who is currently blending in by following orders without questioning their basis. I am leaning toward ISTJ though, he seems very happy to be following the orders as opposed to having any secretive plans. Not that he's incapable of hatching secretive plans.

    He is giving off the following vibes- "Finally, a place that accepts me!" and "Let me use my organisational skills to help this place."
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    Quote Originally Posted by sciski View Post
    Yes, that's why it's hard to tell the difference. I don't know his motivations because he is so secretive. All I can read are the 'tones' of his interactions, and even that may be incorrect.

    He is either an ISTJ, or an INTJ who is currently blending in by following orders without questioning their basis. I am leaning toward ISTJ though, he seems very happy to be following the orders. He is giving off the following vibes- "Finally, a place that accepts me!" and "Let me use my organisational skills to help this place."
    I find it hard for INTJs to blend in or follow orders if something is too biased that they can visibly see it or feel it. INTJs are more aware of deception, or fancy themselves that when they misunderstand others' intentions, so while they MAY go along with the flow to avoid conflict, it's generally with "friends/loved ones" they don't want to upset or cause chaos b/c it'd affect them inadvertantly (unless they are so irked they must say something to 'help' which becomes more patronising and critical instead).

    I'd imagine an INTJ would still seem a little reserved on the outside as opposed on the inside. My INTJ lil'sis, for example, will hear me as I excitedly tell her a theory or concept I'm creating or understanding and she might seem very impassive on her face or just 'lean forward' a bit (she's more likely to look excited if SHE'S figured something out)

    I might tease her "You don't like it!" knowing she does (having a 7 year difference helps when you're an INFJ who wants to understand EVERYone nevermind your precious sibling! )

    She'll say "No! I am VERY interested but you have to remember I just won't jump for joy like you're doing. I want to hear you out so I can process it all for myself before I just accept it. Jeez." but by the end of her saying it as I can NOT keep the grin off my face (sometimes I turn away which is even more obvious), she'll get teasingly get upset and then chase me for making her feel bad lolol

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    Quote Originally Posted by DeliriousDisposition View Post
    INTJs are more aware of deception, or fancy themselves that when they misunderstand others' intentions, so while they MAY go along with the flow to avoid conflict, it's generally with "friends/loved ones" they don't want to upset or cause chaos b/c it'd affect them inadvertantly
    This factor is also making me confused! I wonder if what I am seeing is an INTJ 'in love' with his new friends and lifestyle - hence his willingness to go along simply because he desires to uphold and protect the place that he finds ideal.

    Another thing - he has an astonishing recall of details. He will bring things up in conversation that I blathered on the spur of the moment eons ago. Is this Si at work? Or do all IxTJs have a filing cabinet of detailed information about people they find interesting? I know he finds me interesting - he probably hasn't run into too many NFPs before!

    DD, your sister sounds cute - she'll hate me for saying that! But what luck, to be INFJ and have an INTJ sister!

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    Quote Originally Posted by sciski View Post
    Another thing - he has an astonishing recall of details. He will bring things up in conversation that I blathered on the spur of the moment eons ago. Is this Si at work?
    The ability to accurately recall concrete details is the INTJ's weak area. I can't remember what I ate for breakfast most of the time.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kiddo View Post
    The one that is smiling and nodding while completely ignoring everything you say is the ISTJ, whereas the one who is arguing with you relentlessly is the INTJ.
    Hey... from a behavioral standpoint, that's pretty good!

    Quote Originally Posted by sassafrassquatch View Post
    I argue relentlessly. Not because I enjoy it, it's like, "You're wrong. Your thoughts are like a picture frame hanging crookedly on the wall which I am compelled to straighten."
    What's confusing is that ISTJs have all the internal complaints but usually do not allow themselves to broach them unless it is appropriate to the relationship and context of the situation. I consistently watch ISTJs back away from argumentation unless it is private and/or appropriate.

    Meanwhile, you seem to be more hung up on the actual inherent logic/illogic and make that the basis of your choosing to argue. You don't seem to have any sense of propriety in when you choose to argue. That doesn't seem to mesh well with typical ISTJ/Si behavior; it's more typical of IxTP which focuses more on the ideas and their correctness rather than the appropriateness/social context of the discussion.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Kiddo View Post
    The one that is smiling and nodding while completely ignoring everything you say is the ISTJ, whereas the one who is arguing with you relentlessly is the INTJ.
    Except I would think that the INTJ would ignore everything others say because they're primarily trapped in a reality of their own conception.

    Where the ISTJ would probably bicker with you about ways to do things properly -- like "roll up spaghetti with your fork" and "chew with your mouth closed!" In which case, the INTJ wouldn't be the one listening, retorting that all these senseless rules are pointless.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Uberfuhrer View Post
    Except I would think that the INTJ would ignore everything others say because they're primarily trapped in a reality of their own conception.

    Where the ISTJ would probably bicker with you about ways to do things properly -- like "roll up spaghetti with your fork" and "chew with your mouth closed!" In which case, the INTJ wouldn't be the one listening, retorting that all these senseless rules are pointless.
    I concur with that. Sis does it 100% of the time around Foolish People but remains silent, face impassive as I've helped her to be more understanding of people's numerous deficiences---unless she is roused to anger by an overwhelmingly stupid person intent on badgering her about someone or something or anything, at which it seems monstrous of her b/c it seems she intangibly concoted her anger but she can succintcly decimate a person with one or two lines or stutter out several more which then dissolves into furious cursing (if not enough time to think her points out as she knows them intensely) and will then berate herself for so much as falling into the Trap of Stupid People.

    I am somewhat similar (INFJ/INTJs are cousins in Type), I just try a bit nicer to reach out to people's overwhelming and numerous stupidity. INFJs can become the worst of Monsters as they know exactly where to rip at one's values or beliefs or anything about the person/s involved....

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jennifer View Post
    What's confusing is that ISTJs have all the internal complaints but usually do not allow themselves to broach them unless it is appropriate to the relationship and context of the situation. I consistently watch ISTJs back away from argumentation unless it is private and/or appropriate.

    Meanwhile, you seem to be more hung up on the actual inherent logic/illogic and make that the basis of your choosing to argue. You don't seem to have any sense of propriety in when you choose to argue. That doesn't seem to mesh well with typical ISTJ/Si behavior; it's more typical of IxTP which focuses more on the ideas and their correctness rather than the appropriateness/social context of the discussion.
    This is the internet which is for flame wars and porn. I would never argue in meatspace the way I do here. I'm actually very well behaved and more inline with the ISTJ stereotype. Here I let my thoughts spill out mostly unfiltered.

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    Quote Originally Posted by sassafrassquatch View Post
    This is the internet which is for flame wars and porn. I would never argue in meatspace the way I do here. I'm actually very well behaved and more inline with the ISTJ stereotype. Here I let my thoughts spill out mostly unfiltered.
    And allow avatars to display your true thoughts and feelings of the World at large and in specific?

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