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    My experience thus far with both groups: ISTJs tend to be inflexible on plans while INTJs tend to be open to a change of plans and more accomodating to shifting interests.

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    It will be hard to type someone based on how argumentative they are because many people will avoid arguments in certain situations, regardless of type.

    But I agree that looking at the SJ and NT temperaments would be good!

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    From this page about temperaments (Temperament Theory Theory), NTs are classed as "Theorists":

    The core needs are for mastery of concepts, knowledge, and competence. People of this temperament want to understand the operating principles of the universe and to learn or even develop theories for everything. They value expertise, logical consistency, concepts, and ideas and seek progress. They tend toward pragmatic, utilitarian actions with a technology focus. They trust logic above all else. They tend to be skeptical and highly value precision in language. Their learning style is conceptual, and they want to know the underlying principles that generate the details and facts rather than the details alone.
    Whereas SJs are classed as "Stabilisers":

    The core needs are for group membership and responsibility. They need to know they are doing the responsible thing. They value stability, security, and a sense of community. They trust hierarchy and authority and may be surprised when others go against these social structures. People of this temperament prefer cooperative actions with a focus on standards and norms. Their orientation is to their past experiences, and they like things sequenced and structured. They tend to look for the practical applications of what they are learning.
    Do SJs and NTs find that these descriptions ring true for their type?
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    Quote Originally Posted by JustDave View Post
    Well said. Here's an example that illustrates the difference between the two types.

    The INTJ would be create the policy. Whereas the ISTJ would ensure that it was enforced.

    Concerning the OP, most people will agree that ISTJs due to their preference for Si are far more pedantic than the intuitive INTJ.
    Pedantic is only how intuition types experience thier own sensation (and maybe how inferior thinking is experienced too). People often assume that their hypothetical _NTJ will be in a higher position of authority than thier hypothetical _STJ.

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    I think the SJ core need should be described in a more "hip" manner. The way I see it is the SP and SJ temperaments seem to be described in terms of young versus old people, with SP being spontaneous and adventurous and SJ being conservative and cautious.

    The image of the SJ one could get is the hard-working and responsible type, so it just sounds like old people. But I think we should reinterpret it as how a need to belong would be for a young person. And so I come to the conclusion that the SJ is the one who follows the trends of the group they identify with. So the catalyst (who may or may not be of the Catalyst temperament) for a high school subculture will grow members who are largely SJ, be it preppies, jocks, or even Goth subcultures.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Gabe View Post
    Pedantic is only how intuition types experience thier own sensation (and maybe how inferior thinking is experienced too). People often assume that their hypothetical _NTJ will be in a higher position of authority than thier hypothetical _STJ.
    You lost me on your first point. However, I agree with your second point. In fact, I'd venture a guess that depending on the company an STJ would actually have an easier time obtaining a position of authority.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Uberfuhrer View Post
    I think the SJ core need should be described in a more "hip" manner. The way I see it is the SP and SJ temperaments seem to be described in terms of young versus old people, with SP being spontaneous and adventurous and SJ being conservative and cautious.

    The image of the SJ one could get is the hard-working and responsible type, so it just sounds like old people. But I think we should reinterpret it as how a need to belong would be for a young person. And so I come to the conclusion that the SJ is the one who follows the trends of the group they identify with. So the catalyst (who may or may not be of the Catalyst temperament) for a high school subculture will grow members who are largely SJ, be it preppies, jocks, or even Goth subcultures.
    Good point. I read somewhere that the ESTJ is the quintessential "All-American High School Joke", err I meant Jock.

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    Quote Originally Posted by JustDave View Post
    Good point. I read somewhere that the ESTJ is the quintessential "All-American High School Joke", err I meant Jock.
    Or the valedictorian during graduation.

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    So the INTJ would be the one that would've been valedictorian if it weren't for his lack of extracurricular activities then?

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    Quote Originally Posted by JustDave View Post
    So the INTJ would be the one that would've been valedictorian if it weren't for his lack of extracurricular activities then?
    I was in special ed classes and I actually did average at best in school (though in my senior year, I did make Honor Roll all four quarters), so I didn't have a chance of being a valedictorian. And I was never athletic.

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