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    Quote Originally Posted by alicia91 View Post
    Hmm. I thought I had described her:

    -always wanting to micromanage
    -her rigidity
    -her way of demanding respect though she hasn't earned it
    -selfish when it comes to her own schedule (didn't want to copy the curriculumn on her own time and didn't ask anyone else to do it either so she left the teacher without any materials)
    -not warm like you would expect a pastor to be
    -good public speaker though not dynamic with people one on one which made me think NOT extraverted but I see most people disagreed with me



    Ha ha - now that's kind of funny. I have my list of faults, but a micromanager I'm not.



    When she got married about 6 months ago I was invited to the shower, so when I saw Martini Shakers and bar tools on the registry I bought them for her. It was a llittle message from me - heh heh.

    Thanks for the link Jae Rae - I must have missed it earlier. I'm off to take a look.
    It sort of sounds like she "blows off" her duties, so that she doesn't want to have to do them- yet makes people do what she wants- without LISTENING to them. Does she cause a lot of trouble within your Church?

    I have to assess that someone who tends to be irresponsible and doesn't fulfill their duty is more likely an FP type than an TJ/TP.

    TJ people tend to be motivated by a sense of DUTY- so they will do something if they gave their word to do it- FPs- on the other hand, will do as they see fit, and if they're in a "bad mood" won't come through with the goods, even if they say they will do it.

    Blowing off duties and being flakey is a big deal- and often when there are numerous institutions involved and multiple people on call- usually the FPs are the ones who are the most unreliable, I have found. TJs- even if they are sick and their dog just died, will find the time to do what they were asked to do.

    This has other connotations as well- being that FPs tend to be more spontaneous, etc- but usually anyone just blowing off something they were asked to do- screams FP to me, and most of the time I've found- are ENFPs.

    ESFPs like social decorum so will do their best anyway, even if they don't "feel" like it.

    Same with ISFPs.

    INFPs will do something they find tedious because they see the potential in long-term relationships. Occasionally when something of a personal nature comes up- they let you know in advance being that they are introspective and conscious about seeming like flakes.

    ENFPs on the other hand- will cancel at the last minute, never do what they were asked to do, and often use the excuse of their personal illness- or their dog/neighbor/family member dying to get out of something RIGHT before the deadline, if AT ALL!

    I can't think of the multiple instances in which I left an ENFP in charge of something, and she/he would say he would do it- but then NEVER DO IT!

    Anyway, just saying Alicia- if this woman is flakey, chances are, she is an ENFP.

    (OK, all ENFPs can comment on this as well- but gotta admit- TJs are very conscientious about giving people enough time esp. if they cancel on something they were expected to do)

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    Very interesting hotmale - I admit it never occurred to me that she might be anything other than SJ. I'm going to think about it a bit and try to make sense of it.

    Blowing off duties and being flakey is a big deal- and often when there are numerous institutions involved and multiple people on call- usually the FPs are the ones who are the most unreliable, I have found. TJs- even if they are sick and their dog just died, will find the time to do what they were asked to
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    I will say that the specific instances when she hasn't come through it has been a case of 'well, that's not in my job description,' instead of just doing what needed to be done. Photocopying the curriculumn wasn't really her JOB but it would have made life easier for a lot of people but NO, that's not her department so forget it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by alicia91 View Post
    I will say that the specific instances when she hasn't come through it has been a case of 'well, that's not in my job description,' instead of just doing what needed to be done. Photocopying the curriculumn wasn't really her JOB but it would have made life easier for a lot of people but NO, that's not her department so forget it.
    Being a hard-working person is SJ trademark, and she's surely been hardworking to get into that position at that age. She's using the rules to limit her responsibilities, and she follows the rules, too. Oh, did I mention about making the rules?

    She doesn't sound like a P-type flake at all - P might be more like "oh, I forgot", "ah, I'll do it when I have time" and forgetting about it.. or "sorry, I'm busy" or something like that.

    We've already established that she ain't particularly fine example of SJ, if she indeed is SJ.

    I'm not seeing Hotmale's points establishing strong enough that she might be F, P or FP as opposed to TJ. She does the jobs stated in her job description, doesn't she?
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    Quote Originally Posted by hotmale View Post
    ENFPs on the other hand- will cancel at the last minute, never do what they were asked to do, and often use the excuse of their personal illness- or their dog/neighbor/family member dying to get out of something RIGHT before the deadline, if AT ALL!
    *cough* Exaggeration much?

    An ENFP is not the only type who can possibly be a flake.

    Besides, the rigidity and micromanagement she clearly exhibits would be pretty much impossible for an ENFP to maintain... she is also not a very warm person. Again, not ENFP at ALL. You've taken one small aspect of the described personality and extrapolated from there... pretty much everything else about her personality shouts SJ of some description.

    So, unless she is indeed an ENFP who is so stressed and pressured to thus behave like an ISTJ, I can't possibly see ENFP...

    And then if she is so stressed that she's appearing like her shadow type, well, then she could be ANYTHING! :rolli:
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    She does the jobs stated in her job description, doesn't she?
    Yes she does!

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    Quote Originally Posted by arcticangel02 View Post
    *cough* Exaggeration much?

    An ENFP is not the only type who can possibly be a flake.

    Besides, the rigidity and micromanagement she clearly exhibits would be pretty much impossible for an ENFP to maintain... she is also not a very warm person. Again, not ENFP at ALL. You've taken one small aspect of the described personality and extrapolated from there... pretty much everything else about her personality shouts SJ of some description.

    So, unless she is indeed an ENFP who is so stressed and pressured to thus behave like an ISTJ, I can't possibly see ENFP...

    And then if she is so stressed that she's appearing like her shadow type, well, then she could be ANYTHING! :rolli:
    Thanks for your comments. I've noticed however that anytime an ENFP takes on a leadership role- they are more interested in having a sense of authority and having people do what they ask- than in acting in the best interests of the organization. They also become strangely inflexible- so even though they should be doing something- or allowing something- suddenly they'll become very dictatorial even if they are WRONG. Maybe that's what you're talking about an ENFP under the rules of an organization suddenly becomes a tyrannical ISTJ?! Who knows, but in my experience the best leaders let people do their work, and are NOT competitive with their staff nor merely sit there and dictate out of some sense of an inflated ego.

    Usually EXTJ types- know when someone is good at something- and do not try to crush them, instead integrates them into the goal. Sort of like a football coach---the whole point is to win the game, and how can you win the game when you try to compete with your best quarterback?

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    That's interesting Hotmale, not unbelievable at all. I indeed see people sometimes having a simple view of what kind of traits are needed situationally, then acting it out. If they act out of their comfort zone - and their skill areas - the results might seem, uh, amateurish.

    There's only one point in the OP that reminds me of ENFP tho, the fact that she said being cute and perky (but she seemed not). If she's ENFP, she would seem far off from her comfort zone.

    Then again, if she were an ENFP, I doubt she would be so rigid out of her own will. Perhaps if she were pressured to do that by some reason. What would that reason be? Organizational requirements?

    Her starting a meetng early to meet the demands of others shows some agreeability and concern for others. Refusing to help alicia after the event seems both flakey and stubborn. Can't exactly pinpoint which.

    Alicia, what kind of facial expressions she has? Tone of voice? Body language? What kind of "aura" does she have? Does she mirror the feelings and expressions of whom she's talking with?

    There must be some F expressions to be found of her, should we decide her to be an F.
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    Thanks guys - you're making me think here. I'll give it some thought and see what I can remember from other dealings with her.

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    If she's an anything-else in an ESTJ suit, she would be relaxed and being her natural self when away from her job. What was she like at the bridal shower? What's she like when not in the context of the youth group?
    Last edited by sciski; 02-20-2008 at 07:27 AM. Reason: hen's parties are different to bridal showers!

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    Definitely Extrovert, she sounds very intrusive and demanding of people. Sensor because she has no imagination. She doesn't really sound like an F to me, I'd think an F would be a lot more considerate of someone being late. In my opinion an F would wait for the latecomers but maybe politely ask them to be prompt next time. For sure a J, there is no question.

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