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    The one thing that stuck out to me is, you said this person is trying too hard. If she's exerting obvious effort then she is struggling against something - her natural preference, fatigue, illness, depression, etc. She doesn't sound like a happy person from the way you describe her. I could throw out a type guess (ESXJ) but it sounds to me like she is operating against her natural type. Maybe she'd really rather not be doing what she's doing but is only doing so out of a sense of obligation or guilt or whatever. It just seems that when a person is that annoying, they've got other issues besides personality type at play. I don't know that it's possible to type her at this point.

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    Quote Originally Posted by anii View Post
    The one thing that stuck out to me is, you said this person is trying too hard. If she's exerting obvious effort then she is struggling against something - her natural preference, fatigue, illness, depression, etc. She doesn't sound like a happy person from the way you describe her. I could throw out a type guess (ESXJ) but it sounds to me like she is operating against her natural type.
    People can and do learn ideologies that they follow against their usual style, just doing what they do best in the uncharacteristic activity of their choice.

    Churches aren't run like corporations, so a corporate person would probably be inclined to combine the ideology of their workplace and the ideology they're carrying with them. Depending on the person's suitability, the results may vary.
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    The one thing that stuck out to me is, you said this person is trying too hard. If she's exerting obvious effort then she is struggling against something - her natural preference, fatigue, illness, depression, etc. She doesn't sound like a happy person from the way you describe her.
    Good points anii. What I mean by trying too hard is, for example, the kids were used to calling the former pastor by his first name, but when she heard this she said that she wanted the kids to see her as an authority figure and felt that because she was closer in age to the teens she would be working with that is was important to her to be addressed as "the Reverned X."

    I'm going to have to think about his one - but she seems quite hapy to be like this, I don't have any indication that she's not. But it's food for thought!

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    Quote Originally Posted by INTJMom View Post
    I started to feel like I needed to ask permission to go to the bathroom.
    ESTJ's make me feel like this.

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    Most people would agree that ESTJs are second only to ENTJs in corporate career potential and for this seemingly well motivated and assertive person to (given the average lower salaries) work for a not for profit seems illogical.
    Well, her new husband is an attorney and from a prominent family so she doesn't have to worry about money.

    She spent every waking moment inventing new hoops for us to jump through.
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    Try this:

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    Quote Originally Posted by alicia91 View Post
    ...Thanks for the advice about dealing with her Jennifer. I'm taking notes!
    I hope it is helpful somehow. And yes, the big shoes she has to fill definitely does NOT help...

    To answer Jae Rae's comment, well, usually ISTJ's don't like to dictate lots of rules because of the Introversion. They do have strong opinions but to be in charge of all those kids would just be way too much for them to deal with. Usually their presentation is very very understated -- they don't want to manage people at all and shy away from it. I think their preferred style would be to be consulted by others on what THEY should do, rather than dealing with people directly and then making the decisions themselves. They also really tend to dislike interpersonal conflict, but this woman seems to not care if she rubs people the wrong way or makes waves or people complain.

    And no, Dave, I think this is a case where you are applying stereotypes to specific people, rather than looking at the specific people and seeing their traits, then deciding on the Best Fit. I don't agree that all religious administrators are Feelers; there are many religious T people, and many of the male ESTJs end up in church administration because of their inclinations and talents. (Some enjoy teaching classes as well.) I've known many, many, many of them.

    ESFJs meanwhile end up doing something much more hands on, dealing with the social aspects of the church; i.e., they often organize and act as liaisons for all the various groups in the church and/or a scheduler, or administrative assistant positions, or arranging for incoming speakers/groups, or the "helps ministries" (i.e., getting meals and other support to people, etc.) or just basically anything dealing more directly with people management. I actually think this woman would be better off for teens if she was ESFJ, if you have to pick between that and ESTJ.
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    Definitely SJ anyway. The way she is SMOTHERING them i'd say ESFJ.. But ESTJ's can be a feckin' pain in the ass, too.

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    Quote Originally Posted by alicia91 View Post
    Of course there are annoying people of all types but there is one person in my life that annoys the crap out of me. Subs thread about his sister got me thinking about her and today I had an incident that I'm still thinking about.

    *she's the assistant pastor/youth pastor at my church
    *seems concrete and not nearly as philosophical as most pastors
    *can't tell if she's E or I, but I suspect I
    *GREAT public speaker (her best trait)
    *very personally conservative, makes the kids address her in a much more formal way than any other pastor or staff at church
    *MICROMANAGES everyone, and everything
    *is organizing a trip for the youth next month where they can't bring anything for the 3 hour car drive because she has divided them into 'special' groups and they are going to play TWO 'getting-to-know-you' games on the way. No cards, no ipods, no books - these kids already know each other and will think this is lame. The kids are 12-14.
    *my teens dislike her because she tells them what to do, treats them like babies and insists they come to youth group even in a snow storm becuase she's keeping attendance.
    *even though my church is fairly liberal she gave a kid "Hell Points" (exactly what that is I don't know) because one of them said "oh my G_d" in response to something.
    *I served on a committee with her recently where we had to figure out a way to spend a grant that the church had been given over the next 5 years in terms of Christian Education. She actually wanted us to plan out Year 1 we spend it on ...., Year 2 we spend it on ....I thought she was nuts and so did most other people. I suggested that the plans for CE be reviewed each year and plans be made year to year. Everyone else agreed so I got my way!She was very disturbed by this and said something like 'how can we trust whoever is going to be making decisions 3 years from now.'
    *isn't overly warm, but strangly enough describes herself as cute and perky.
    * in some ways organized, but drops the ball sometimes when she's "too busy"
    * selfish - started a meeting today 15 minutes early because most people were already there and the weather was getting bad. Then didn't have time to stay later and explain to me, what I had missed when I came on time.
    * is only 24 and it trying WAY too hard to act mature and demand respect

    Is this a strong J that is bothering me? How do I know if it's T or F. I tried looking at types to see who'se the worst for micromanaging but didn't find anything. ISFJ? ISTJ?

    One big reason that I'm curious about her is that I get really worked up about another person JUST LIKE HER (my son's music teacher) and can barely deal with her either (my son is in an advanced music program so I have a lot of dealings with her). So between the two of them - I think it would help me to learn how to work with them rather than just sit around feeling annoyed after my dealings with them.
    It's hard to say exactly what her type is given that you've really only described her ability to micromanage. Could it possibly be that you find her annoying because the two of you have similar personalities and both like to micromanage people?

    It seems that there is a clash between 1. what you want to do and the fact that she is holding the reigns and dictating what everyone else, including yourself, has to do.

    You might also find her annoying because she is young and authoritative- lacking F because she thinks/acts older than she is.

    You might try making small talk with her to see what her interests are. Usually types that like to lead ESTJs/ENTJs/ENTPs/INFJs won't disclose too much information about their personal lives. You can even try getting them drunk and hanging out with them in a social setting- you'll probably discover all sorts of things about them!

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    It's hard to say exactly what her type is given that you've really only described her ability to micromanage
    Hmm. I thought I had described her:

    -always wanting to micromanage
    -her rigidity
    -her way of demanding respect though she hasn't earned it
    -selfish when it comes to her own schedule (didn't want to copy the curriculumn on her own time and didn't ask anyone else to do it either so she left the teacher without any materials)
    -not warm like you would expect a pastor to be
    -good public speaker though not dynamic with people one on one which made me think NOT extraverted but I see most people disagreed with me

    Could it possibly be that you find her annoying because the two of you have similar personalities and both like to micromanage people?
    Ha ha - now that's kind of funny. I have my list of faults, but a micromanager I'm not.

    You can even try getting them drunk and hanging out with them in a social setting- you'll probably discover all sorts of things about them!
    When she got married about 6 months ago I was invited to the shower, so when I saw Martini Shakers and bar tools on the registry I bought them for her. It was a llittle message from me - heh heh.

    Thanks for the link Jae Rae - I must have missed it earlier. I'm off to take a look.

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