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    Quote Originally Posted by Zarathustra View Post

    No, your opinion is appreciated, as it helps sharpen the distinctions needed to be made.


    That's not to say that you're wrong -- I could be a 6w5 (check my profile) -- it's just that your reasoning doesn't prove anything, nor does it really come close to disproving the opposing thesis (that I'm a 5w6 sx/so).


    As I said in the beggining "I trully can't say that I know you that well". I am judging almost purely on my intuition. (since basically I dont know you at all)

    So for me the debate ends here. I said my opnion and now we can argue about this for days ... what is pointless because the things said will just be more and more subjective.



    However I am willing to admit that my perspective is prehaps too rigid. But I didnt want to turn this thread to be about me.

    After all towards that descriptions you have posted I am ....



    5w6 sp/so "The Engineer".

    Probably the furthest removed of all types from their own emotional life. The most practical minded and hardest working of Fives, prefer to work with complex physical systems over mere theory. In some ways this might be the purest version of Five.

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    Quote Originally Posted by mia_infp View Post
    I’m not making a case for either 5 or 6. I’m trying to keep people from ruling out 5 because of a mental block about its coexistence with being sx/so. If I had to pick one, though, based on what I’ve read, and what I’ve seen, I’d guess 6w5.
    It's weird because I kinda feel the opposite...as in I feel *slightly attached* haha to people not so readily ruling out type 6. Not that I care what type Z ultimately decides upon...but there does some to be some sort of 'universal resistance' to e6 and I don't really understand why. Maybe it's seen as being 'common'...or not as 'intellectually inclined'? Which is weird because nothing could be further from the truth.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Starry View Post
    It's weird because I kinda feel the opposite...as in I feel *slightly attached* haha to people not so readily ruling out type 6. Not that I care what type Z ultimately decides upon...but there does some to be some sort of 'universal resistance' to e6 and I don't really understand why. Maybe it's seen as being 'common'...or not as 'intellectually inclined'? Which is weird because nothing could be further from the truth.
    Well, see, that's the thing.

    Obviously that issue exists.

    Nobody seems to want to be a 6.

    There almost seems to be stigma attached to it.

    I've even heard numerous people describe them as "headcases".

    And I will even admit to, at the beginning, not exactly wanting to be one, as I perceived it somewhat similarly.

    But, at this point, it's genuinely more about wanting to figure out whether I'm a 5w6 sx/so or 6w5 sx/so.

    I really don't care about being a 6; I just want to be sure, so I can use it for personal growth.

    And, regardless, even if 6 is just my wing, I can still use it for personal growth.

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    @mia_infp, @Zarathustra
    Among other reasons, I think the unhealthy levels of Enneagram 5s are not quite compatible with the sx/so variant.
    Level 4: Begin conceptualizing and fine-tuning everything before acting—working things out in their minds: model building, preparing, practicing, and gathering more resources. Studious, acquiring technique. Become specialized, and often "intellectual," often challenging accepted ways of doing things.

    Level 5: Increasingly detached as they become involved with complicated ideas or imaginary worlds. Become preoccupied with their visions and interpretations rather than reality. Are fascinated by off-beat, esoteric subjects, even those involving dark and disturbing elements. Detached from the practical world, a "disembodied mind," although high-strung and intense.

    Level 6: Begin to take an antagonistic stance toward anything which would interfere with their inner world and personal vision. Become provocative and abrasive, with intentionally extreme and radical views. Cynical and argumentative.

    Unhealthy Levels
    Level 7: Become reclusive and isolated from reality, eccentric and nihilistic. Highly unstable and fearful of aggressions: they reject and repulse others and all social attachments.

    Level 8: Get obsessed yet frightened by their threatening ideas, becoming horrified, delirious, and prey to gross distortions and phobias.

    Level 9: Seeking oblivion, they may commit suicide or have a psychotic break with reality. Deranged, explosively self-destructive, with schizophrenic overtones. Generally corresponds to the Schizoid Avoidant and Schizotypal personality disorders.
    I mean, a schizoidish Zara? That's impossible! Blah, I don't have much to add anymore, but you are a pretty interesting case, buddy.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Rasofy View Post
    Among other reasons, I think the unhealthy levels of Enneagram 5s are not quite compatible with the sx/so variant.
    See, I have a different take.

    I think the sx/so of a 5w6 sx/so sets up a conflict with the 5's natural tendency to withdraw, which makes for a certain tension, a push-pull dynamic, that, once again, resembles something like what you might expect to see in a 6w5, thus, once again, making the diagnosis even more difficult.

    Quote Originally Posted by Rasofy View Post
    I mean, a schizoidish Zara? That's impossible! Blah, I don't have much to add anymore, but you are a pretty interesting case, buddy.
    Did you read this post?

    http://www.typologycentral.com/forum...=1#post1431066

    Honestly, that's the most important single post in this thread, and if you seriously want to consider which type I am, you need to deal with what I say there. I wrote it over a year ago, but it still holds true. I suppose some elements of the 6 stuff might hold trueish for me, but not nearly as true as the 5 stuff. That's a large part of the reason why I'm not willing to commit to 6. Some potentially useful information: several years ago, out at a bar having a good time, I was discussing personality stuff with a buddy of mine from college who was in med school at the time, and we were talking about MBTI's relationship to the DSM personality disorders, and whether personalities are largely less extreme versions of personality disorders, and we were talking about various disorders that could be seen, in less-than-disorderly amounts, in each of our personalities, and either schizoid or schizotypal was one of the ones he thought was present in me (I believe it was schizotypal). And this is someone who knew me during those days in college when this could most readily be seen of me, and, as I told him, I thought his perception was perfectly reasonable.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Zarathustra View Post
    Did you read this post?

    http://www.typologycentral.com/forum...=1#post1431066

    Honestly, that's the most important single post in this thread, and if you seriously want to consider which type I am, you need to deal with what I say there. I wrote it over a year ago, but it still holds true. I suppose some elements of the 6 stuff might hold trueish for me, but not nearly as true as the 5 stuff. That's a large part of the reason why I'm not willing to commit to 6.

    With regards to the last bit, several years ago, out at a bar having a good time, I was discussing personality stuff with a buddy of mine from college who was in med school at the time, and we were talking about MBTI's relationship to the DSM personality disorders, and whether personalities are largely less extreme versions of personality disorders, and we were talking about various disorders that could be seen, in less-than-disorderly amounts, in each of our personalities, and either schizoid or schizotypal was one of the ones he thought was present in me (I believe it was schizotypal). And this is someone who knew me during those days in college when this could most readily be seen of me, and, as I told him, I thought his perception was perfectly reasonable.
    This is exactly why I voted 5w4, because based on what I have studied, 5w4 is the dreamy, Schizotypal one, and 5w6 is the non-emotional, Schizoid one. But perhaps this is not a strict rule. Maybe you really are an odd case, a Schizotypal 5w6!

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    Quote Originally Posted by RaptorWizard View Post
    This is exactly why I voted 5w4, because based on what I have studied, 5w4 is the dreamy, Schizotypal one, and 5w6 is the non-emotional, Schizoid one. But perhaps this is not a strict rule. Maybe you really are an odd case, a Schizotypal 5w6!
    Or 6w5...

    Plus, I don't remember which he said, and, frankly, the two are somewhat similar, and it might've been both:

    Schizoid personality disorder (SPD) is a personality disorder characterized by a lack of interest in social relationships, a tendency towards a solitary lifestyle, secretiveness, emotional coldness, and apathy. They may also demonstrate a simultaneous rich, elaborate, and exclusively internal fantasy world, although this is often more suggestive of schizotypal personality disorder.
    SPD is not the same as schizophrenia, although they share some similar characteristics such as detachment or blunted affect; there is increased prevalence of the disorder in families with schizophrenia.
    Some psychologists argue that the definition of SPD is flawed due to cultural bias: "One reason schizoid people are pathologized is because they are comparatively rare. People in majorities tend to assume that their own psychology is normative and to equate difference with inferiority". Therefore "[t]he so-called schizoid personality disorder is one of the more blatant examples of the APA’s pathologizing of normal human differences."
    Schizotypal personality disorder is a personality disorder characterized by a need for social isolation, anxiety in social situations, odd behavior and thinking, and often unconventional beliefs. People with this disorder feel extreme discomfort with maintaining close relationships with people, and therefore they often don't. They frequently misinterpret situations as being strange or having unusual meaning for them. Paranormal and superstitious beliefs are not uncommon for these people. People with this disorder seek medical attention for things such as anxiety, depression, or other symptoms.
    Furthermore, we were talking about personality as a lesser form of these disorders, and the idea wasn't that I actually have the disorder, but that certain elements of my personality can be seen as being watered-down versions of these disorders. In addition, we both also agreed that in each of our personalities one could find a water-down version of narcissistic personality disorder.

    Narcissistic personality disorder (NPD) is a personality disorder in which the individual is described as being excessively preoccupied with issues of personal adequacy, power, prestige and vanity. This condition only affects one half percent of the population. In the United States this accounts for approximatly 1,500,000 individuals. First formulated in 1968, it was historically called megalomania, and it is closely linked to egocentrism.

    Symptoms of this disorder include, but are not limited to:
    Reacts to criticism with anger, shame, or humiliation
    May take advantage of others to reach their own goal
    Tends to exaggerate their own importance, achievements, and talents
    Imagines unrealistic fantasies of success, beauty, power, intelligence, or romance
    Requires constant attention and positive reinforcement from others
    Easily becomes jealous
    Lacks empathy and disregards the feelings of others
    Obsessed with oneself
    Mainly pursues selfish goals
    Trouble keeping healthy relationships
    Is easily hurt and rejected
    Sets unrealistic goals
    Wants "the best" of everything
    Appears as tough-minded or unemotional

    The symptoms of Narcissistic personality disorder can be similar to the traits of individuals with strong self-esteem and confidence; differentiation occurs when the underlying psychological structures of these traits are considered pathological. Narcissists have such an elevated sense of self-worth that they value themselves as inherently better than others. Yet, they have a fragile self-esteem and cannot handle criticism, and will often try to compensate for this inner fragility by belittling or disparaging others in an attempt to validate their own self-worth. It is this sadistic tendency that is characteristic of narcissism as opposed to other psychological conditions affecting level of self-worth.

    In children, inflated self-views and grandiose feelings, which are characteristics of narcissism, are part of the normal self-development. Children are typically unable to understand the difference between their actual from ideal self, which causes an unrealistic perception of the self. After about age 8, views of the self, both positive and negative, begin to develop based on comparisons of peers & become more realistic. Two factors that cause self-view to remain unrealistic are dysfunctional interactions with parents that can be a lack or excessive attention. The child will either compensate for lack of attention or act in terms of unrealistic self-perception.

    The CNS, Childhood Narcissism Scale, measurements concluded that narcissistic children seek to impress others & gain admiration but do not have any interest in creating sincere friendships. CNS researchers have measured that childhood narcissism has become more prevalent in Western society: any types of activities (raising a child to their education applications)[clarification needed], which focus on overly praising the individual, can raise narcissistic levels. More research is needed to find the reasons that promote or protect against narcissism.
    I think this example does a good job of demonstrating the point. See, I exhibit a good number of these qualities. But the thing is, I don't "lack empathy and disregard the feelings of others", nor do I "not have any interest in creating sincere friendships". I'm pretty much on the opposite end of those two qualities. But I do genuinely think I'm better than other people and exhibit lesser versions of many of those other traits. In other words, I have narcissistic qualities, but I don't have NPD. Same goes for schizoid and/or schizotypal.

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    Really, Z, I don't see you as a 6w5. Clearly more as 5w6. You look so much like house, type 6 people usually develop a "normal" style, the counterphobic a more fantasist and "bad boy" style, buyt seldom that style of goofy doctor.

    6s are unpreductable, their behavior come from one extreme to another, depend of their phobic or counterphobic mood. Your personality seems more constant and equal, withdrawing and compartimentalizing competence to get power.

    Also, you are more simiolar with 5w4 than 6w7, which leans 5w6 to me.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Speed Gavroche View Post
    Really, Z, I don't see you as a 6w5. Clearly more as 5w6. You look so much like house, type 6 people usually develop a "normal" style, the counterphobic a more fantasist and "bad boy" style, buyt seldom that style of goofy doctor.

    6s are unpreductable, their behavior come from one extreme to another, depend of their phobic or counterphobic mood. Your personality seems more constant and equal, withdrawing and compartimentalizing competence to get power.

    Also, you are more simiolar with 5w4 than 6w7, which leans 5w6 to me.
    +2 for the bolded

    As I said somewhere earlier, 5 seems to be the only one where both wings fit.

    I suppose you could somewhat say I could lean towards 7 wing, as I do have a hedonistic streak (I'm blacked out and photobombing a group of girls in that profile pic, speedy), but I look at 7s and get really annoyed, cuz their behavior all just seems so immature to me. To me, that kind of speaks of being against going into my 7 disintegration point.

    Also, something about "withdrawing and compartimentalizing competence to get power" really speaks to me.

    -1 (sorry) for the underlined

    Isn't House sort of a "bad boy" himself, tho? And, realistically, I do have a bit of a "bad boy" image I project, but, and I'm sorry to bring it to this, but I mentioned it on @BlackCat's wall last night: I'm a Scorpio rising, and, as myself, my last two girlfriends, and several other friends have noted, it fits me to a tee:

    Scorpio Ascendant (Rising Sign) description

    Scorpio Ascendant people have a lot of presence. There is something about them that tells the world that they are not to be pushed around. Their manner commands respect, and in some cases, fear. Scorpio rising people can be quiet or loud, but they always seem powerful and determined.

    You either love or hate Scorpio rising people— they are rarely people who go through life unnoticed. In fact, some of them are confused when faced with the fact that they get such strong reactions from others. They seem to look right through people, seeing through superficiality. This can be quite intimidating to some, and intriguing to others. Scorpio rising people, in their dealings with others, look for answers by reading between the lines. Surface details are discarded when they are getting a feel for people and situations around them.

    Scorpio rising people value their privacy so much, it can border on paranoia. They have a strong need to control their environment and are experts at strategy. Rarely people who will blow their chances with impatience, they plan out their moves carefully and deliberately, relying on their awesome ability to feel out others and situations.

    Scorpio rising natives are drawn to down-to-earth, natural partners. Reliability in their partner is very important. They generally look for complete commitment and have little patience with flighty partners.

    The Ascendant (or rising sign) is often considered the mask one wears when meeting others. Perhaps it is most aptly thought of as the automatic responses to one's environment. The Ascendant shows our natural defenses and how we cope with day-to-day issues. The energies of the sign and condition of the Ascendant are most overt and obvious to others. The Ascendant shows an individual's first, natural reaction to new people and situations.
    The characteristics of Scorpio Ascendant described above are modified by planets conjunct the Ascendant, planets that aspect the Ascendant, and the position of the ruling planet of the sign on the Ascendant. For example, a person with a Scorpio Ascendant with its ruling planet, Mars, in Sagittarius will respond to the environment a little differently than another person, also with a Scorpio Ascendant, but whose Mars is in Capricorn. (Note that Scorpio has two rulers, the other being Pluto, which is very slow-moving). Similarly, a person with a Scorpio Ascendant who also has Saturn conjunct it will "behave" differently than someone with a Scorpio Ascendant who does not have that aspect in their natal charts.*
    *This is the first time I've ever heard of this, but, rather crazily, it's actually part of my chart. I can't find any info about it, though.

    Actually, searched elsewhere on the internet, and found this:

    Ascendant Conjunct Saturn

    You are conservative and self-disciplined in your behavior. You tend to be shy about asserting yourself, so people may assume that you are indifferent to them. You have strong doubts about your self- worth which makes you cautious when meeting competition. This lack of self-confidence will eventually be replaced by self-assurance as you learn through experience to understand yourself. You do not have the kind of aggressive drive that impresses people on first meeting, but you show reliability and they learn they can depend on you. Others see your good qualities long before you realize them, for you are self-effacing by nature and prefer the sidelines rather than the spotlight.

    You are efficient in mobilizing your resources and are sure to realize your goals, but you underestimate your abilities. You are a slow starter who needs the reassurance of some successful endeavors before you define your objectives and make careful plans to achieve them. You are prepared to grow one step at a time in achieving the excellence of which you are most capable. When a decision is required, you tend to hesitate because you want to be sure first.

    You sometimes miss opportunities for fear that you will be ridiculed if you make the wrong decision. You would never let anyone down who depends on you for you are responsible to a fault. Learn to love yourself more so you can feel you deserve the good things in life that you have worked so diligently to obtain. You can be victimized by people who take advantage of your unwillingness to fight for your rights, but you never forget such incidents. Although you are not a vindictive person, you will bide your time until the moment comes when anyone who has wronged you needs your assistance; then you repay them with cool indifference.

    You are a person of quiet determination who keeps at something until it is complete, particularly in personal relationships. You may not get intimately acquainted with a potential lover right away, but you are persistent and will not give up on a desire until you are sure it is beyond your reach.

    Because of this style, you seem to be older and more mature than your years even at an early age. Once you really are mature, you blossom into a sort of agelessness. This tends to attract two kinds of people: those who intend to get seriously involved on a mature, adult level, and those who are seeking a parent figure to lean on. You may be very tempted to have a fling with a lover who sees you as a parental figure, especially since you have so much control over such a person.

    However, it is wise to avoid that kind of entanglement. Once in, you will find it rather difficult to get out, and if you try, your partner may undergo a crisis like that of leaving home for an adolescent, for such a person is still emotionally very immature. It would be better to find an older or more mature and serious partner, even though you may find it hard to keep up at times. The results will be more rewarding.
    Scorpio Ascendant (Rising Sign) with ruling planets, Mars and Pluto, in the signs.

    The following interpretations incorporate the position, by sign, of Mars, the ruling planet of Scorpio. Note that Pluto also rules Scorpio, and interpretations for Scorpio rising with Pluto in the signs follow the Mars interpretations. The sign position of Mars modifies your Scorpio Ascendant characteristics. These interpretations are from the Karmic Insight Report, and are written from an esoteric viewpoint.

    The point that was on the eastern horizon at the moment of your birth is called the ASCENDANT, or rising sign. While the Sun describes your conscious direction and current life focus, and the Moon your subconscious predisposition and past, the Ascendant indicates a way of being that transcends and embraces past, present, and future. It describes the way you engage and merge with the outer world and how you bring through into life the energies depicted by the Sun, the Moon, and the rest of your birth chart. Everything is filtered through the Ascendant from an esoteric point of view. It indicates your soul's function and thus a key part of your destiny.

    Scorpio Rising - General

    You have keen animal instincts, a deeply instinctual and passionate nature, and access to forces that can be used for healing and regeneration - of yourself, other individuals, or society. Strong-willed and powerful in a quiet understated sort of way, you are always a force with which to be reckoned. You know intuitively where another's pain or weakness lies, and can thus be a natural healer - or a terrible enemy, if your energies are directed toward conflict. Learning to trust and follow your instincts, and to focus your will upon positive intents, are keys to fulfilling your highest destiny. Your ruling planets are Mars and Pluto.
    Scorpio Rising and Mars in Virgo

    Your Mars is in Virgo, suggesting service through specialized skills, knowledge, or technical expertise; also an interest in biology, chemistry, the medical or health sciences. You have keen powers of observation and analysis, and you work thoroughly and efficiently (some might say obsessively). When out of balance you can worry excessively and be a bitter critic of the world and/or yourself.

    You often function as the power behind the throne or as a shrewd advisor to others.
    Scorpio Rising and Pluto in Libra

    Your Pluto in Libra reveals a drive for justice, fairness, equality, and bringing the scales back into balance. You tend to see the injustices and corruption, and part of your function is indeed to bring wrongs to light. The balance of power in personal relationships is also a key concern of yours.
    ^This last one actually gets a little crazier, too, cuz my Pluto in Libra is actually conjunct my Ascendant.

    Ascendant Conjunct Pluto

    You have the power to determine the kind of world that can be constructed from its available resources. You know how difficult it is to function and develop under environmental conditions and economic pressures that frustrate you at every turn, but it is in your grasp to arouse the people to make public officials yield to their demands. You can play an important role in urging the public to eliminate the parasites who cause decaying social conditions and the depraved human qualities that lead to them. Because you speak and conduct yourself with authority, no one dares dismiss you merely as a troublesome critic. You are not easily aroused to taking action unless the situation is serious. If it is, you will use every trick you can devise to compel those responsible to take the actions that are necessary to restore order from chaos. You will not be satisfied until a system is working effectively.

    You do not tolerate abuse in your personal affairs either. In general you know what you want out of life and are ready to make any investment in talent and effort to realize your goals. You defend those entrusted to your care, and the people you love know you will protect their interests at all costs. You must guard against driving yourself or others to excess. Choose your adversaries with care, or you could antagonize someone who would deal violently with you. You tend to bring out the worst qualities in people at times.

    Your personality has a strong impact on others in one-on-one situations, which can be a tremendous asset if you are careful in the way you use it. You can overwhelm people quite easily, which will not lead to successful relationships unless you learn when to pull back and give your partner freedom for personal assertion and communication.

    The lesson you must learn is to use the power of your personality for the good of both partners in a relationship and not merely to serve your own goals. You may need to watch yourself carefully, for it is easy for you to step in and take control of the situation, especially if a less assertive partner seems to accept it at the time. But you may be stepping on your partner's toes without realizing it.

    The unspoken resentment that builds up will eventually explode and destroy the whole relationship. You must be very careful to give your partner plenty of room and enough time to make decisions uninfluenced by you, even if you feel an urgent need to step in and make the decision yourself. If power plays and games or attempts at domination must exist in the relationship, it is better to fulfill this need through bedroom fantasies. In that way both you and your partner can learn more about your inner needs and drives without interfering with the external course of the affair.
    Alternate descriptions of Scorpio Rising

    A Spiritual Interpretation of Scorpio Rising

    The following interpretation of Scorpio Rising is from Your Spiritual Path Report.

    "You have already taken a few steps on the spiritual path, and you have dedicated your life to your spiritual nature to some degree. The intense desire nature within you continues, however, to pull you toward the physical expression. You constantly find yourself at a turning point between pursuing a material desire and following a more spiritual inclination.

    You have the capacity for major changes in your life. Others may find your decisions remarkable, as you can take a 180 degree turn with relative ease. Each of these major shifts brings you closer to understanding the unfolding plan of your spiritual life. At this time you may appear to be motivated only by material desires, but each turning takes you further on the spiritual path. If you look back, you can see that your decisions have all blended into one direction. You see the logical unfolding of spirit woven into seemingly disjointed actions and decisions.

    First you test your physical appetites with food, sexual desire and physical comfort. These may become rather boring. Ambition and the desire for power increase the emotional thrill and the momentary pay-off. At the third stage you tackle mental challenges of spiritual pride. If you can transcend all three levels, you then function from a more spiritual base. You cease to seek physical emotional and mental thrills for their own sake, and use your personal power to transform your own life and to help others.

    You face a tall order if you are to make spiritual progress. You need to remember your own beginnings as you seek success in any of your endeavors, spiritual or otherwise."
    Scorpio Ascendant from the Cosmo Natal Report:

    "You are very strong-willed and proud, but intensely private and not easy to know well. Behind your quiet exterior lies a great deal of emotional depth, sensitivity, complexity, and also fierce determination. When you want something you go after it rather quietly but insistently and wholeheartedly - and you usually get it.

    You are not a person who lives lightly or superficially. You want to live passionately and intensely and are not averse to challenge, danger, or to facing the darker side of life - human pain and struggle. You function well in crisis situations and often seek them out, for you enjoy the feeling of living at full capacity.

    You are very intuitive about other people and especially about their unspoken feelings and hidden motives. You usually have strong, immediate gut reactions, either positive or negative, which prove to be correct. You approach life very instinctively and are not always fully conscious of why you feel or act as you do. You also have a very strong affinity with animals - an acute sensitivity and a nonverbal kind of rapport with them.

    In relation to others, you are rather cautious, sometimes even suspicious, until you get to know and trust them - and trust doesn't come easily to you. When you commit yourself emotionally to someone, be it friend or lover, you are intensely loyal and devoted to them and you also expect the same kind of unwavering, undying loyalty in return. If you are ever betrayed by someone you care deeply for, you are capable of hating and retaliating with as much fervor as you once loved. Nothing is done halfway. In fact, you are intensely involved and often jealously attached to whatever you care about, be it person, idea, or cause. There is definitely a streak of emotional fanaticism in you.

    Because of your natural reserve, others may see you as something of an enigma. You are quite self-protective and often defensive. You are also very magnetic, especially to members of the opposite sex."
    Scorpio Ascendant

    Your psychological nature is bilious with aggressive impulses that spur the transformation of your being and of any situation you are involved in. You are constantly struggling to assert yourself. You cannot refrain from testing others with cutting remarks, not because you want to hurt them, but because you want to know them better through their reaction; life and the feeling of aliveness are experienced through rebellion and tension. Your aggressive attitude may equate with sly inquisition as often, you remain silent, introverted and secretive, mulling over turbulent thoughts in the depths of your mind, leaving others puzzled by your quite strange behaviour.

    With this Ascendant, you come across as secretive, powerful, dominating, enduring, intuitive, assertive, charismatic, magnetic, wilful, daring, clear-sighted, passionate, creative, independent, vigorous, generous, loyal, hard-working, persevering, indomitable, possessive, shrewd, stubborn, ambitious, instinctive, tenacious, sexual, sexy, proud, intense and competitive. But you may also be aggressive, destructive, stubborn, anxious, tyrannical, perverse, sadistic, violent, self-centered, complex, critical, cruel, nasty, jealous, calculating, vulnerable and dissembling.
    I know people don't believe in astrology, and, as I always reiterate, I take it with a grain of salt, but that description is so absurdly accurate of me -- I think both @YWIR and @Patches, within a short period of time, both made mention of how I provoke strong reactions from people, and that people seem to either love me or hate me (and I'm aware of this, and have pretty much always known it to be true), in the Random Thought thread -- I can't help but feel it colors people's perceptions of me (which is what the rising sign is all about). Also, wouldn't Scorpio rising probably cause people to potentially think 6>5, and wouldn't this description be an accurate thing to say about someone who is sx/so?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Zarathustra View Post
    -1 (sorry) for the underlined
    So globally it's a +1? Cool.

    ][indent]Isn't House sort of a "bad boy" himself, tho? And, realistically, I do have a bit of a "bad boy" image I project,
    Indeed, but I think you missed the second part of my line about the "doctor" style. I mean House is an antisocial bad boy but he comes up as an academic doctor guy. That's also this style, and 6w5 are very little like this.

    I believe somehow in astrolmogy. And the Scorpio ascendant description fits with you. I noticed a few people on this board who are Scorpio rising, including Marmie Dearest (Gemini Sun) who's a Sexual 6w7 and Chloé (Leo Sun) who's a Sexual 3.

    I found a list of famous Scorpio Rising people, I kept only thoses that I knew the enneatype, so there's:

    Nicole Kidman 3w4 Sp/So (Gemini Sun)
    Nathalie Portman 1w2 Sx/Sp (Gemini Sun)
    Vanessa Paradis 7w8 Sx/Sp (Capricorn Sun)
    Edward Norton 6w5 So/Sx
    Megan Fox 7w6 Sx/So (Taurus Sun)
    Sigmund Freud 6w5 So/Sp (Taurus Sun)
    Clint Eastwood 8w9 Sp/Sx (Gemini Sun)
    Rafael Nadal 9w8 Sp/Sx
    Gwen Stefani 3w4 Sx/So (Libra sun)
    Jacky Kennedy 3w4 Sp/Sx
    Ville Vallo 4w5 Sx/Sp (Sagittarius Sun)
    Jim Carrey 7w6 So/Sx
    Edith Piaf 4w3 Sx/So (Sagittarius Sun)
    Cary Grant 7w8 So/Sx (Capricorn Sun)
    Friedrich Nietzche 5w6 Sx/So (Libra Sun)
    Prince 4w3 Sx/Sp (Gemini Sun)
    Vladimir Poutine 6w5 Sp/So
    Keith Richard 7w8 Sx/So (Sagittarius Sun)
    Sai Baba 2w1 Sx/So (Sagittarius Sun)
    Tori Amos 3w4 Sx/So (Leo Sun)
    Robin Williams 7w6 So/Sx
    Margaret Thatcher 1w2 So/Sp
    David Lynch 5w4 Sp/Sx
    Katharin Hepburn (Taurus Sun)
    Diana Ross 2w3 Sx/Sp (Gemini Sun)
    Geri Halliwell 7w6 Sx/So (Leo Sun)
    Simone de Beauvoir 5w4 So/Sx
    Diane Keaton 6w5 So/Sx


    So, this rising sign is not related to one enneatype in particulary, but there may be a correlation with being Sx-dom, Sx/So in particulary, a lot of what you say can be related to Sx/So ness too.
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