User Tag List

View Poll Results: Santtu's type?

Voters
15. You may not vote on this poll
  • ESFP

    0 0%
  • ESFJ

    0 0%
  • ESTP

    3 20.00%
  • ESTJ

    0 0%
  • ENFP

    1 6.67%
  • ENFJ

    0 0%
  • ENTP

    8 53.33%
  • ENTJ

    0 0%
  • ISFP

    0 0%
  • ISFJ

    0 0%
  • ISTP

    0 0%
  • ISTJ

    0 0%
  • INFP

    0 0%
  • INFJ

    0 0%
  • INTP

    2 13.33%
  • INTJ

    1 6.67%
First 234

Results 31 to 39 of 39

  1. #31
    Senior Member nemo's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jan 2008
    MBTI
    NeTi
    Enneagram
    <3
    Socionics
    wtf
    Posts
    445

    Default

    My experience is that the dominant intuition from ENTPs (and probably ENFPs, too) manifests itself very differently from the dominant thinking of INTPs. IMO it's probably better to distinguish between the two on this basis, since ENTPs can appear deceptively introverted.

    If I may be allowed to speculate for a moment, it seems that INTPs possess their understanding of the universe in a massive, interconnecting web of ideas inside their head; and each new theory they come upon is integrated piece by piece in terms of logical relation to all their other understandings. When they have to solve a problem, they seem to first attempt to reduce the problem into something one of their theories can already explain -- if not, they get creative. But in any case, they appear to be much more willing to sift through the sands and pick through grain by grain than other types.

    Extroverted intuition (for me, anyway) is far more chaotic and uncontrollable. My brain is always on, the gears spinning on overdrive, bombarding me with new ideas and thoughts -- and if I so much as try to shut it up, it just seems to keep working unconsciously. It's as if that idea-generating part of my brain has a mind of its own, and seems to work completely outside of my control. I often get ideas before I think of them, if that makes any sense. In fact, when I have to solve a problem it usually turns into a battle between me and my brain: there's me, frantically trying to sort through all the (sometimes nonsensical) ideas to follow-up on; and my brain, who's vomiting up volumes of these possible solutions and generating them in ways that are completely mysterious to me. The finely-tuned web of ideas that INTPs have is much less present for me.

    I assume it's similar for ENFPs, too -- and probably INTJs, but the nature of Ni is a little beyond me.

    Does that help at all?

  2. #32
    filling some space UnitOfPopulation's Avatar
    Join Date
    Sep 2007
    MBTI
    ENTJ
    Posts
    3,272

    Default

    Quote Originally Posted by nemo View Post
    When they (INTP) have to solve a problem, they seem to first attempt to reduce the problem into something one of their theories can already explain -- if not, they get creative. But in any case, they appear to be much more willing to sift through the sands and pick through grain by grain than other types.

    --

    Extroverted intuition (for me, anyway) is far more chaotic and uncontrollable. My brain is always on, the gears spinning on overdrive, bombarding me with new ideas and thoughts -- and if I so much as try to shut it up, it just seems to keep working unconsciously. It's as if that idea-generating part of my brain has a mind of its own, and seems to work completely outside of my control.

    Does that help at all?
    Thank you and welcome to the forum nemo Yes it helps, I recognize being more under a bombardment of new ideas than seeing how everything connects to a theory. I have both, but more of the Ne kind I see.

    I missed my normal all-the-time thinking process in that cognitiveprocesses test, I now realize.. I'm always getting ideas, so I don't usually think anything of it. I was concentrating on efforts of thinking for that test (as it was the approach the test used).

    Actually, I've sometimes thought the flow of ideas was a distraction in the past But that's just been poor attention span for me that time.

    Yep, I'm able to see my Ne thinking much better now. Thanks!
    [SIGPIC][/SIGPIC]

  3. #33
    Senior Member INTJMom's Avatar
    Join Date
    Sep 2007
    MBTI
    INTJ
    Posts
    5,351

    Default

    Quote Originally Posted by nemo View Post
    My experience is that the dominant intuition from ENTPs (and probably ENFPs, too) manifests itself very differently from the dominant thinking of INTPs. IMO it's probably better to distinguish between the two on this basis, since ENTPs can appear deceptively introverted.

    If I may be allowed to speculate for a moment, it seems that INTPs possess their understanding of the universe in a massive, interconnecting web of ideas inside their head; and each new theory they come upon is integrated piece by piece in terms of logical relation to all their other understandings. When they have to solve a problem, they seem to first attempt to reduce the problem into something one of their theories can already explain -- if not, they get creative. But in any case, they appear to be much more willing to sift through the sands and pick through grain by grain than other types.

    Extroverted intuition (for me, anyway) is far more chaotic and uncontrollable. My brain is always on, the gears spinning on overdrive, bombarding me with new ideas and thoughts -- and if I so much as try to shut it up, it just seems to keep working unconsciously. It's as if that idea-generating part of my brain has a mind of its own, and seems to work completely outside of my control. I often get ideas before I think of them, if that makes any sense. In fact, when I have to solve a problem it usually turns into a battle between me and my brain: there's me, frantically trying to sort through all the (sometimes nonsensical) ideas to follow-up on; and my brain, who's vomiting up volumes of these possible solutions and generating them in ways that are completely mysterious to me. The finely-tuned web of ideas that INTPs have is much less present for me.

    I assume it's similar for ENFPs, too -- and probably INTJs, but the nature of Ni is a little beyond me.

    Does that help at all?
    That description of how the INTP thinks is excellent. The "grain picking" you described is so t-e-d-i-o-u-s to me. That is the thing that can cause my interactions with INTPs to be unpleasant in my estimation.
    Just give me the BOTTOM LINE!

  4. #34
    filling some space UnitOfPopulation's Avatar
    Join Date
    Sep 2007
    MBTI
    ENTJ
    Posts
    3,272

    Default

    Ok I'll have to see I'm ENTP right now, and have been for years. This is the factual starting point, to which I'll add modifiers.

    I'm close to border on all dichotomies. Testing procedures are consistent enough that this doesn't show on T and P, which always score as such, but with the variation of E/I and S/N, I sometimes get other types as a result.

    My F and S functional scores are practically at the same level, not far from T. On the surface, this might give rise to suspicion of ENFP. Answer between F/T can be decided by seeing how my functions developed.

    I was mostly emotional to a normal level as a child, tho I had bouts of anger at one short period. I had notably unemotional, thinking-centered part of life in my late teens, and I'll have to say my emotions were underdeveloped. On the other hand, I made my first computer program at the age of 6 and I programmed nonlinear 3d computer graphics texturing algorithms in 80x86 assembler by the age 15, signifying a higher than normal development of thinking by that time.

    I had a bout of wild night-time life, popularity seeking (and successful gaining) in my 22's-27's, something I was particularly interested and successful in probably due to my development of Fe at that time. I used Fe kind of skills out of novelty and because of the new experiences and acceptance they could bring me. It's probably this what increased my F scores at the time, and I had Fe higher than Fi.

    My current higher Fi and lower Fe doesn't fit the standard model of ENTP. Yet this is probably result of abnormal events, something which will balance out during time.

    With everything balanced, my functions have assumed near normal long-time level. So my results probably reflect my long-time self, tho there's always going to be non-repeatable, unique events and learnings in life that will alter the score.

    With so many scores near the border, my type result will probably fluctuate according to my future projects and how I exercise the different functions in them. I should not probably pay too much attention to changing personality types by then, at least if I were to change my behavior according to the results.

    The continuity of personality is carried by me, but personality theory presents discontinuous types. This is the nature of the theory, but I'll just know then that the personality stays more level than the results. Sometimes I'll be able to understand myself better by looking at my type, sometimes not. In the latter cases, I'll just look for what's meaningful, interesting, purposeful and real in my life and what I want. As long as my processes in the real world are ok and I have a sense of self, personality type will follow

    Votes are still being accepted till end of sunday.

    Thank you everyone for helping to figure out my type!
    [SIGPIC][/SIGPIC]

  5. #35
    filling some space UnitOfPopulation's Avatar
    Join Date
    Sep 2007
    MBTI
    ENTJ
    Posts
    3,272

    Default

    What's your word in here?
    [SIGPIC][/SIGPIC]

  6. #36
    filling some space UnitOfPopulation's Avatar
    Join Date
    Sep 2007
    MBTI
    ENTJ
    Posts
    3,272

    Default

    Final words?
    [SIGPIC][/SIGPIC]

  7. #37
    Luctor et emergo Ezra's Avatar
    Join Date
    Dec 2007
    MBTI
    ENTJ
    Enneagram
    8w7 sp/sx
    Socionics
    SLE Ti
    Posts
    534

    Default

    Quote Originally Posted by Santtu View Post
    I value N for seeing behind anything that's plain and obvious. I use it for daydreaming, but more for making something practical to happen. Still, I'm not obsessed with practical, demanding to do something immediately practical all the time. I have a very long attention span to seeing my plans come true. Still, in the end, I want it to be practical in the end.. either in the old way of practical (down-to-earth) or in the modern way of practical (something fancyful or theoretical). But in any case, I have established that there will be some people actually appreciating what I do, and I can present the result of my work as something real, so it doesn't stay in my imagination.

    It's just that.. it's so hard to distinguish between the two, it's hard to say where in the continuum of obviously practical and resourcefully practical the S changes to N. Say some new programming language interpreter. Most people don't think it's something practical for their lives, but what can be evaluated by public opinion? For other people, programming language interpreter is very real, practical, everyday thing. Considering what the programming language interpreter does would be a practical, down-to-earth thing to do. I mean, it wouldn't be like telling that the moon men are coming to earth, we better wear our tinfoil hats. I mean that can't I be a modern educated information worker without being an N. These modern things are everywhere.. they've revolutionized our world.
    This is an Intuiter speaking.

    The problem lies in the quality of the tests, and how you interpret each question. I get ESTJ because I value practicality, earthiness and groundedness, and because I don't like theoretical bullshit. So, someone tell me how an Intuiter couldn't also value and dislike the same things. They easily can. It's all down to badly designed questions that aim for the wrong thing.

  8. #38
    filling some space UnitOfPopulation's Avatar
    Join Date
    Sep 2007
    MBTI
    ENTJ
    Posts
    3,272

    Default

    Quote Originally Posted by Ezra View Post
    This is an Intuiter speaking.

    The problem lies in the quality of the tests, and how you interpret each question. I get ESTJ because I value practicality, earthiness and groundedness, and because I don't like theoretical bullshit. So, someone tell me how an Intuiter couldn't also value and dislike the same things. They easily can. It's all down to badly designed questions that aim for the wrong thing.
    Ok, I guess so.

    It would be a bad test question indeed to ask whether the respondent prefers useful or useless things.
    [SIGPIC][/SIGPIC]

  9. #39
    filling some space UnitOfPopulation's Avatar
    Join Date
    Sep 2007
    MBTI
    ENTJ
    Posts
    3,272

    Default Can't end this vote anymore

    but the results before my vote where
    1 ESTP
    1 ENFP
    2 INTP
    1 INTJ
    6 ENTP
    and 7th ENTP vote from me. Seems the poll should have been made with a closing time in the first place, but it's as good as closed for me
    [SIGPIC][/SIGPIC]

Similar Threads

  1. Here goes...what's my type?!
    By TheEndIsNotTheEnd in forum What's my Type?
    Replies: 23
    Last Post: 11-19-2016, 08:17 AM
  2. Replies: 55
    Last Post: 02-04-2014, 12:56 PM
  3. So what is my type ?
    By entropie in forum What's my Type?
    Replies: 7
    Last Post: 09-16-2008, 04:27 AM
  4. What's My Type?
    By MuraKoji in forum What's my Type?
    Replies: 6
    Last Post: 05-16-2008, 09:07 AM
  5. What's my type,
    By Tigerlily in forum What's my Type?
    Replies: 5
    Last Post: 11-09-2007, 02:26 AM

Posting Permissions

  • You may not post new threads
  • You may not post replies
  • You may not post attachments
  • You may not edit your posts
Single Sign On provided by vBSSO