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    Default Extroversion and Introversion

    The E/I dichotomy continues to confound. For some reason it eats at me, similar to a sore tooth. Can't seem to let it go.

    When viewing cognitive processes in the order of Te, Ni, Se, Fi, type resonates true. When reviewing extroversion vs. introversion, everything kind of falls apart.

    How many extroverts are similar where some people fuel but others drain? Mood also impacts on the fueling and draining process. Solitude can also fuel or drain. I sit so much on the border between the two.

    Is it possible that I'm an INTJ? But the order of the cognitive processes don't resonate true, particularly the inferior process of Se. I'm fine with Se. It's actually pretty close to Ni.

    When it comes to work, positively eNTJ. Socially, not so much. Pursuit of friendships and relationships aren't my thing. But I'm open to friendships. Currently, relationships are in a no-fly zone.

    ESTJ also occurred to me but haven't scored once as such, on any online test. And more often than not, there's a rejection of traditionalism but I will work within the framework of traditionalism, if it's the most efficient means to goals fruition.

    ISTJ, not a chance.

    Also, not a P. Too conclusive.

    Okay, I'm thinking out loud so forgive the mess. How very extroverted.

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    I think alot of the traditional traits attached to extroversion are very Fe(friendly, outgoing, loves being around people) or Se. If you are a Te dom "people" might not be your main concern, more like organization of processes and external effciency.
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    Thanks for your suggestions, Robopop. Te dom for sure. It's pretty much through the roof. I guess it bothers me since as you say, the traditional definition of extraversion is people oriented where as someone with a need to understand the conceptual whole, people don't factor as highly.

    It's not that I don't care about people, since I care about my friends a lot, but that I don't need to be with them all or even much of the time. One of my RL friends is also an ENTJ. She's a raging extrovert who's always with people. An old boss is also an ENTJ. His social network is comprised of people who can do something for him. His socialisation is agenda-forward. I'm not like either one when it comes to people.

    When observing other ENTJs on TypeC, some lean towards traditional introversion as well. But it might be a confirmation biased observation since raging extroverts wouldn't spend much time on an online forum or maybe even mistyping, whether them, myself or both.

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    Extroversion is "expressiveness", which only indicates one tends to be quick to approach people. The other scale is responsiveness, which tells whether the person is ultimately focused on people, or on tasks instead. ETJ's are expressive to people, but focused more on task (both T and J tend more towards task).
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    Its totally confusing when your're low on the extraversion scale. Most people would likely type me as an introvert.
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    I can definitely relate to what you've described. I think about it all the time myself.

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    Thanks for your input Eric, Lady X and Max.

    Eric, I don't socially approach people very often but am responsive when approached most of the time. In eNTJ work mode, no problems approaching, no shyness, nothing. Civility and approachability is important when it comes to work communications. So does that make me a halfer, straddling the line? Confusing.

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    Some people fuel me and some drain me too (I'd say I instantly like to stay away from crowds though.). I've always been one to break some silence with people though, to try to make friends sometimes, let my ideas (or judgements) be known when decisions need to be made. I don't identify though with the description that introverts (especially Fi doms) deliberate, hold back, or like to be agreeable/low key.

    Not that this helps, but it seems the ENFPs and ISFPs might be the types that defy their own introversion/extroversion the most.

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    It's pretty much exactly what Robopop said. The descriptions of extroversion given by tests and whatnot are not always catered exactly towards Te, which is what a __TJ type uses primarily. I'm pretty sure it's not rare with those types to wonder how extroverted you really are. I've even mistyped myself in the past as ISTJ.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Metaphor View Post
    Eric, I don't socially approach people very often but am responsive when approached most of the time. In eNTJ work mode, no problems approaching, no shyness, nothing. Civility and approachability is important when it comes to work communications. So does that make me a halfer, straddling the line? Confusing.
    And you said in the OP "Pursuit of friendships and relationships aren't my thing. But I'm open to friendships. Currently, relationships are in a no-fly zone."

    I would think in this case, the "approach" that counts in expressiveness would be in your "work mode". The fact that you express then but not as much for friendships is clear task focus.
    Responsiveness is based on the criteria you have for interaction. So in work mode, you express to people, but outside of that, they have to meet more of a criteria. Then, "no fly zone" would also indicate need for a criteria, if I'm understanding that correctly. So even if you allow people to approach you, I'm sure they still have to meet a criteria for any further interaction.
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