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    hmm...i'm not sure that it actually does frustrate me but i don't think i fit what the general population would think of as an extravert...i don't talk a lot...i'm not boisterous and take up a lot of space in a room...if ya know what i mean...

    one on one i'm way chill...the more people around the more lively i am for whatever reason. it's an odd thing to notice about yourself actually...weird kinda...
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    Quote Originally Posted by KDude View Post
    Some people fuel me and some drain me too (I'd say I instantly like to stay away from crowds though.). I've always been one to break some silence with people though, to try to make friends sometimes, let my ideas (or judgements) be known when decisions need to be made. I don't identify though with the description that introverts (especially Fi doms) deliberate, hold back, or like to be agreeable/low key.

    Not that this helps, but it seems the ENFPs and ISFPs might be the types that defy their own introversion/extroversion the most.
    I'm sure this is a silly question but have you done the analysis looking strictly at the cognitive processes, avoiding dichotomies for the interim until you can nail down the processes?

    Quote Originally Posted by Max View Post
    It's pretty much exactly what Robopop said. The descriptions of extroversion given by tests and whatnot are not always catered exactly towards Te, which is what a __TJ type uses primarily. I'm pretty sure it's not rare with those types to wonder how extroverted you really are. I've even mistyped myself in the past as ISTJ.
    Yes, Robopop and you are right but I didn't understand the implications until Eric's following quoted post. Too trapped in the almost defensive position of "people aren't for use so I'm not like my prior ENTJ boss" and also, extroversion must be expressed "this" way. But that's not what it means at all. It means that extraverted impetus for Te-doms requires a task-related focus.

    Quote Originally Posted by Eric B View Post
    And you said in the OP "Pursuit of friendships and relationships aren't my thing. But I'm open to friendships. Currently, relationships are in a no-fly zone."

    I would think in this case, the "approach" that counts in expressiveness would be in your "work mode". The fact that you express then but not as much for friendships is clear task focus.
    Responsiveness is based on the criteria you have for interaction. So in work mode, you express to people, but outside of that, they have to meet more of a criteria. Then, "no fly zone" would also indicate need for a criteria, if I'm understanding that correctly. So even if you allow people to approach you, I'm sure they still have to meet a criteria for any further interaction.
    Explained this way, it now makes perfect sense!! Sometimes I'm so dense when it comes to anything personal. Thanks for breaking it down for me in a way I can grasp.

    As far as the relationship "no-fly zone" comment, that's just me being facetious about taking a break away from dating and relationships to get my head screwed on properly, as it relates to the wonky Fi-inferior process.

    Quote Originally Posted by Lady X View Post
    hmm...i'm not sure that it actually does frustrate me but i don't think i fit what the general population would think of as an extravert...i don't talk a lot...i'm not boisterous and take up a lot of space in a room...if ya know what i mean...

    one on one i'm way chill...the more people around the more lively i am for whatever reason. it's an odd thing to notice about yourself actually...weird kinda...
    Yes, I really do understand.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Metaphor View Post
    I'm sure this is a silly question but have you done the analysis looking strictly at the cognitive processes, avoiding dichotomies for the interim until you can nail down the processes?
    It's not silly.. But yeah, I've tried to take that approach. I get bogged down though, because I think all functions are playing out in us (some more than others). It's all the more confusing since we all try to compensate for weaknesses in life, or get talked into things we didn't think we'd be good at, and end up proving ourselves wrong.. and over time, incorporate new skills (which could indirectly lead to more "function" use). I feel sorry for anyone who actually fits some cookie cutter MBTI label. If I traced all the way back to childhood, I'd be some ungodly mix of ESFP and INTP (heh.. hard to explain. Kind of an outgoing, persuasive nerd, who still wasn't afraid to pull fire alarms or pinch a girl's ass. ENTP? :confused: ).

    Anyways, I know that doesn't answer your question. I don't really want to decide on my type at the moment. I think I just need to go on "autopilot", just step back a bit, and see if I notice a pattern to my behavior that way.

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    Quote Originally Posted by KDude View Post
    It's not silly.. But yeah, I've tried to take that approach. I get bogged down though, because I think all functions are playing out in us (some more than others). It's all the more confusing since we all try to compensate for weaknesses in life, or get talked into things we didn't think we'd be good at, and end up proving ourselves wrong.. and over time, incorporate new skills (which could indirectly lead to more "function" use). I feel sorry for anyone who actually fits some cookie cutter MBTI label. If I traced all the way back to childhood, I'd be some ungodly mix of ESFP and INTP (heh.. hard to explain. Kind of an outgoing, persuasive nerd, who still wasn't afraid to pull fire alarms or pinch a girl's ass. ENTP? :confused: ).

    Anyways, I know that doesn't answer your question. I don't really want to decide on my type at the moment. I think I just need to go on "autopilot", just step back a bit, and see if I notice a pattern to my behavior that way.
    The silliness was that as a long-time member, as if you wouldn't have tried to pinpoint it through cognitive processes if dichotomies weren't enlightening.

    I sometimes wonder if P-types have more difficulty with typing themselves since that's a symptom of their processes of remaining open to new information.

    Don't worry about me. The dissonance has been resolved. The E/I question has been answered in a way that fits within the framework of my limited conceptual understanding of type and cognitive processes.

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    Well, it's not just openness to new information (which is definitely one part of the problem), but just my history as well. Fi is a strange development.. it sparked up in a big way in my late teens.. after a lot of spiritual beliefs weighing on my conscience, after friends getting their brains blown out, after going through rehab 3 times, and whatever... I mean, this shit is not even quantifiable by MBTI standards. When test questions start asking me if I care about "values" or something - then of course I do. It's hard to not look at life in a cautious, introverted way.. or in an idealistic Fi-dom way - and making choices from time to time that are irrational, based on compassion and feelings It obscures the fact that I'm a T in other ways too.

    Anyways, grats on working it out.

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    Introversion is more rare than extraversion hence the introverts are almost as special as the intuitives and don't even get me started with the introverted intuitives that so many of you dang people on this forum claim to be.

    Anyways I see introversion not necessarily meaning not fond of talking but rather more of a way of thinking and processing information as well as how you get energized whether internally or externally so introverts probably spend more time in their head and extraverts seem to spend more time on the outside world.

    Someone correct me if I am wrong.

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