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    I've been fooled by some MBTI stereotypes, even though I've tried to avoid them at all costs. I get a feeling of ENxx. I do enjoy being silly daily; I do enjoy organizing daily. I get really genuine anxiety and annoyance when someone is not being efficient. Yet, however strong Te I have, it might be the end result of some development from Ti and something else.

    Yeah, what would change if my type changed? I'd write a different code in my little box yes, lol. I am not at loss with my life in here. My life is attached to situations and conditions that have not changed with this. What I'm evaluating here is the MBTI as a decent tool for me. Using it requires me to have a sure understanding of my type, I think. Perhaps I'll find an official MBTI practitioner somewhere near and take the test.

    Meanwhile, I'll offer you a musical score I've enjoyed today:

    John William's Parade of the Ewoks. Enjoy.

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    Quote Originally Posted by marmalade.sunrise View Post
    Some people think ENFPs are "meaner" than ENTPs because of tertiary Te. ENFPs are known for something called "Te push" which is heavily guided by their Fi values, making us more direct, and even more confrontational, than INFPs.

    Silly Sapienne and I have both been called "Hitler" at some point in our lives, apparently.
    Yes, And I also have plenty "Jerk" INFP friends.

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    Just a quick thought - I enjoy many situations where most, if not all, feel the situation is chaotic. I usually have enough of a plan and understanding in the situation, that the shred of order is enough for me.

    I don't like myself being clueless or directionless one bit though.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Santtu View Post
    Just a quick thought - I enjoy many situations where most, if not all, feel the situation is chaotic. I usually have enough of a plan and understanding in the situation, that the shred of order is enough for me.

    I don't like myself being clueless or directionless one bit though.
    Compare the above comment to what you posted 3 years ago:

    My results:

    * O: 90
    * C: 13
    * E: 89
    * A: 22
    * N: 11


    Studied and self-identified ENTP with INTP test results with some tests.

    Perhaps giving some thought to ENTP, again, might not be a bad idea.
    You enjoy situations where most feel the situation is chaotic?
    What kind of situations are you referring to?

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    Quote Originally Posted by shortnsweet View Post
    First of all, you are crazy.
    That about sums it up.

    All kidding aside, I'd go with ENTP. Of course that's just from very brief forum exchanges and of course taking into consideration MBTI is an indicator.
    Time is a delicate mistress.

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    If you're confused on ENTP or J, just ask yourself if you get along with ISFjs or ISFps more (Socionics wise).

    If you're ENTp, ISFjs probably treat you like crap - or at best, there's a lot of angry sex.. Even if you're ISFp, you might not get along.

    Also, if you know real ESFps, do they shit on your ideas, and say "you think too much", or are they stimulated..? Do you discuss topics meant specifically for taking a lot of action (rather than for their own sake or for fun).

    And yes, I'm kinda serious

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    Quote Originally Posted by KDude View Post
    If you're confused on ENTP or J, just ask yourself if you get along with ISFjs or ISFps more (Socionics wise).
    A lot of ENTPs aren't ILE, so that's a bad metric. A lot of ENTPs are ILI or EIE (Kennedy was an ENTP EIE for example), and a few of the more domineering ones (Enneagram-8 or counter-phobic 6 mostly) are SLE or SEE.

    And I'm sorry if I sound like a broken disk here, but frankly, seeing Socionics and MBTI mentioned in the same sentence kinda rubs me the wrong way. Socionics intertype relationships do not work for MBTI types.
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    Maybe you're right. It's just one idea out of many. I would argue about it, but I'm tired, and I'm just speaking from my experience with the "Gamma" mindset.

    Personally, I don't make a big deal out of all of these conflictions you make between the two. I think it's a little overstated. I think most people who don't conflict with ISFJ are neither ENTP (MBTI) or ILE.

    And on a sidenote, you're just as much in your "shadow". To be ESTJ here and ENFj there is funny. I hate to retype you, so it's all in good fun.. but I think you're an ISTj (proud asshole... possibly with mustache) who's just dual seeking for an ENFj (No offense on saying you're in a shadow..It happens to everyone).

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    I don't mind, really, but I'm not anywhere near direct or power-hungry enough IRL to be Se-ego. If anything ESTJ is the more likely of the two types to be wrong, but I'm pretty goddamn sure my analytical style is Te rather than Ti. That, and my Ne is markedly weaker than it appears -- I actively force it, because it makes me more fun to be around -- hence Fe-ego.

    I do rock a bitchin' Van Dyke though.

    And, the problem here is that the two systems measure two completely different aspects of your personality. Whereas MBTI measures the perspective from which you view the world, Socionics attempts to directly measure how you interact with the world, and with other people. Because X mindset does not automatically equate to Y behavior, an MBTI type does not really have to fall within an expected range of Socionics types. Essentially, refusing to see potential conflict between Socionics and MBTI equals pigeonholing (worse, even, because the expected behavior of Socionics IM elements is actually more in line with their opposite functions on MBTI; the J/P switch actually is more likely to happen for extroverts rather than introverts).

    That said, I actually like Socionics better. Because Socionics-related behavior is closer to the surface, it's easier to spot, and the whole intertype relationship structure is very useful.
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    Fair enough. You should consider ISTj though.. and grow a mustache, if you haven't already. I think it could work for you.

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