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    Quote Originally Posted by Zarathustra View Post
    I agree with your sentiment here, as people who don't really understand the functions seem to have a tendency to put a lot of emphasis on J vs. P (and often in an errant way), but, remember (and it's not like most people are actually using it this way), while J and P might not be functions, they do signal whether one uses Te/Fe or Ti/Fi in the dom/aux position.
    I know. It's one of the things I like about Socionics -- given the way Socionics notation works it's impossible for people to use P/J independently and miss the point of it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Aleksei View Post
    I know. It's one of the things I like about Socionics -- given the way Socionics notation works it's impossible for people to use P/J independently and miss the point of it.


    That's still assuming they actually KNOW!

    I'm with you, though: Socionics' system is a bit easier to understand.

    I feel both systems have their merits, though.

    If it weren't somewhat repetitive and clunky, I'd propose a 5-letter system that takes both into account.

    A much more accurate picture of the type is achieved that way...

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    I'm actually glad that you brought that up Zar. I was thinking of something along those lines as well. Mine varies with that concept though as what I would wish to do is take each aspect of the functions (Ti and Te etc.) and cut them into specific attributes. Like Ti as a whole is actually more than one process and so you would divide Ti further into whatever classes you found to be specific with Ti and call that Ti(x) 'x' being a variable, or another descriptive letter. It would help capture the nuiances of people better. It feels simple enough to have been thought of though and so I may have just accidentally plagerized.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Zarathustra View Post


    That's still assuming they actually KNOW!

    I'm with you, though: Socionics' system is a bit easier to understand.
    Well, not really. Socionics is actually ridiculously convoluted in comparison to MBTI.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Aleksei View Post
    Well, not really. Socionics is actually ridiculously convoluted in comparison to MBTI.
    I was just referring to the J/P labeling system.

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    Oh, right. Yeah, I agree with that.
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    Just to entertain the possiblity. Would anyone think to type me as an ENTJ? It seems foreign to me, but at times I feel like I'm more Te, when it comes to describing, or convincing someone of my argument. Perhaps even ENFP?

    I suppose if someone could describe what Tertiary Te looks like in ExFP's that may help. I understand Fe in the third position.

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    Tertiary: Extraverted thinking (Te)

    Te organizes and schedules ideas and the environment to ensure the efficient, productive pursuit of objectives. Te seeks logical explanations for actions, events, and conclusions, looking for faulty reasoning and lapses in sequence

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ENFP#Te...nking_.28Te.29

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    Could you possibly give me an example of how you use extraverted thinking?

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    Look for any of my posts where I'm explaining faulty logic. If you identify with the way I argue, you might be using Te + Ne.
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