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    I wish I could say something, but alas, I cannot.

    Bleh.
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    'Cause you can't handle me...

    "A lie is a lie even if everyone believes it. The truth is the truth even if nobody believes it." - David Stevens

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    Quote Originally Posted by Zarathustra View Post
    I would say I don't really need to, cuz I know I'm not.

    I'm going to bed. G'nite, y'all!
    Sometimes it helps to counter-argue a position, and I would be interested to hear how you would, is all.

    Not up to the challenge, I see?
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    Quote Originally Posted by PeaceBaby View Post
    Sometimes it helps to counter-argue a position, and I would be interested to hear how you would, is all.

    Not up to the challenge, I see?
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    Oh thank you.

    You do have a very powerful extraversion of your Te, but since it is wiser to defer to self-typing, I shall say I am glad you feel comfortable in your INTJ apparel.

    Ni sweaters for example are made from alpaca yarn, very cozy, and gentle.
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    I think 8 only attacks people who are stronger than him (or on the same level) and counterphobic 6 can attack even weaker people. 8 tries to protect the weak. One of differences.
    i can go sometimes to CP 6, veeery rarely (since i'm type 3 so it can go to 6), and then i become very aggressive and appear fearless, but i am actually freakin fearful beneath that... which 8 doesnt feel, fear. they feel safe most of the times.

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    In regards to the aggression issue, there are (at least) two kinds that I can see. The obvious one is the aggression that results from a feeling of weakness, a preemptive counter-attack to control one's environment. The other is an off handed aggression that results from a feeling of hierarchical superiority and it's maintenance...a dominance display. It is mostly the latter that I was talking about, which is why I asked the questions I asked. I'm not sure if females could really understand the latter as readily, though.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Metamorphosis View Post
    In regards to the aggression issue, there are (at least) two kinds that I can see. The obvious one is the aggression that results from a feeling of weakness, a preemptive counter-attack to control one's environment. The other is an off handed aggression that results from a feeling of hierarchical superiority and it's maintenance...a dominance display. It is mostly the latter that I was talking about, which is why I asked the questions I asked. I'm not sure if females could really understand the latter as readily, though.
    5 out of 5 star analysis.

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    I think you'd have to look beyond these two very animalistic ideas about aggression in order to understand where "mine" comes from.

    First question you'd need to ask yourself...

    Am I aggressive at all times, or mostly in certain situations?

    Second question: What are those situations?

    Third question: Why do those situations bring out aggression in me?

    I believe there are usually many causes for phenomena, and that we usually try to simplify it into fewer than are often the case, and while the two explanations offered thus far may be present to some extent at some moments in time, I really don't think they get to the crux of the issue. The latter slightly more so, but still off base...
    Last edited by Zarathustra; 07-20-2010 at 10:05 PM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Metamorphosis View Post
    In regards to the aggression issue, there are (at least) two kinds that I can see. The obvious one is the aggression that results from a feeling of weakness, a preemptive counter-attack to control one's environment. The other is an off handed aggression that results from a feeling of hierarchical superiority and it's maintenance...a dominance display. It is mostly the latter that I was talking about, which is why I asked the questions I asked. I'm not sure if females could really understand the latter as readily, though.
    Indeed. I'd associate the latter more with social dominance, which implies high status and a lack of self-questioning. Not really the impression I get with Z though. He's very into self-questioning, I think that's why when he puts his vision of the truth across he tends to do so more forcefully than many people, he perhaps feels that he's already looked at the issue carefully enough that he has a very strong position, and wants to test this out by debating it?
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    Maybe it's my NF idealism, but I agree with SS about aggression, and that it's basically an outdated testosterone-enriched behavior that has little basis in today's world. In fact, I like this quote by MLK:

    “Mankind must evolve for all human conflict a method which rejects revenge, aggression, and retaliation. The foundation of such a method is love.”
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