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    Hi!

    This has probably been done to death, but please bear with me.

    The first time I did the test the result was INTP. It didn´t feel completely right, so I almost immediately redid it, this time differentiating more between how I saw myself and how I wanted to be and ended up INFP. This sounded closer to home, even though I didn´t see myself as a picture book version. There has been one more occasion later on where I came out INTP, but I went with INFP, telling myself that, well, I was an INFP with a nice T/F-Balance (54% F the last time I checked).

    Now, I recently started therapy (self esteem issues, an inability to stand up for myself and low energy levels) and redid the same test as the last time (the long version on similarminds) and - behold: INTP. I have to admit I might have pushed it a bit, but I tried to really be honest, especially about the part about social considerations. I never fully grasped the concept of FI, but looking at the description of the INTPs cognitive processes on the link that VagrantFarce recommended it struck me like lightning: that´s me..oh my god... it explains everything: an INTP with very strong Fe who had to learn to use a combination of Ne and Fe to please others, be a nice little girl, etc., since that was expected of me (long story coming down to having to be nice and perfect in order to earn other people´s acceptance and love). I always felt ashamed for giving so much importance to intellect (both in myself and others) since life was supposedly all about being nice and pleasing others. I just didn´t see my Ti for what it is, since I have always felt closer to the humanities than to natural science (basically: if I am not a science and computer nerd - even though I am interested in science and could be described as a bit of a geek in my areas of interest - I can not be an NT).

    Okay, so that goes to show how little I know about types and cognitive functions. But besides that: Am I completely delusional or could it be that therapy is slowly unlocking the sleeping INTP inside (who is still pretty feely, anyway)? How can I tell when my whole self image is shifting at the moment? And should I have lived most of the past 30 years with an INFP mask - how do I tell the real me from a mask that has been a part of me for so long? This is a whole new world opening up at the moment, which is a dizzying experience!

    Has anybody had similar experiences? Any insights on how to tell the real from the illusion?

    Thanks in advance and sorry for the overlength, no extra entry fee will be charged
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    Usually people confused like this are INFP. What is your enneagram?

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    The Enneagram is currently 5, followed by 2. It was 2 on a previous test.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Red Herring View Post
    The Enneagram is currently 5, followed by 2. It was 2 on a previous test.
    lol

    2, 3, & 4 are usually Feelers, and 5s are Thinkers.

    Which function are you most familiar with?

    Introverted Thinking: Analyzing; categorizing; evaluating according to principles and whether something fits the framework or model; figuring out the principles on which something works; checking for inconsistencies; clarifying definitions to get more precision. Analyzing your options using principles like comfort or “Red is a power color.”

    Introverted Feeling: Valuing; considering importance and worth; reviewing for incongruity; evaluating something based on the truths on which it is based; clarifying values to achieve accord; deciding if something is of significance and worth standing up for. Evaluating whether you like an outfit or not: “This outfit suits me and feels right.”

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    I imagine it's a lot more straightforward for INTP to "adopt" Fe than it is for INFP - it's the "logical" thing to do in a way.. just a minor distraction for an INTP. Afterwards they can go about their way. It is probably not a minor distraction for INFP. At least in my personal experience, Fi wins out and will risk estrangement or tension (not that things clash with Fi, but they can).

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    I´d go with the first.

    Analyzing things to death sounds very familiar and I can be extremely pedantic when it comes to giving a precise nuanced answer to questions I am supposed to answer with a simple yes or no. I love discovering new explanatory models too.

    The second description still sounds very vague to me. I have a really hard time getting to the core of what Fi is supposed to be all about. Is this the gut feeling that something is the right or wrong thing to do? Then yes, I know this (but I would call it intuition). Is it being in touch with my emotions and having a pretty good access to my subconsicous? Then yes. But I would never say that an outfit "suits me and feels right" I would rather say: It fits and is comfortable to wear and it makes me look respectable/sexy/whatever the occasion calls for.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Red Herring View Post
    I´d go with the first.

    Analyzing things to death sounds very familiar and I can be extremely pedantic when it comes to giving a precise nuanced answer to questions I am supposed to answer with a simple yes or no. I love discovering new explanatory models too.

    The second description still sounds very vague to me. I have a really hard time getting to the core of what Fi is supposed to be all about. Is this the gut feeling that something is the right or wrong thing to do? Then yes, I know this (but I would call it intuition). Is it being in touch with my emotions and having a pretty good access to my subconsicous? Then yes. But I would never say that an outfit "suits me and feels right" I would rather say: It fits and is comfortable to wear and it makes me look respectable/sexy/whatever the occasion calls for.
    INTPs go more for "this is correct/incorrect" = Ti.
    INFPs go more for "this is right/wrong" = Fi.

    Knowing how you feel at any moment, and what emotion is connected to it is more the realm of the INFP. INTPs like to overthink everything are often disconnected from their emotions.

    At this point you sound more INTP to me. Perhaps you were socialized into F behavior because you are female.

    Welcome to the club! I'm INTP with a weirdly overdeveloped Fe. Also I'm Type 9 so people think I might be INFP, but I never connected to the INFP profile at all.

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    Yes, I have been socialized to be an INFP, I think, for reasons that would take a bit long to explain (not just being female but a few other factors on top of that, it´s more about family history). My ex and current best friend is an INTP with a strong F (and much more hardheaded on the "this is right/wrong" than me ... which comes out in his passion for politics) and it is creepy how much we think in synch (except for his P which is even stronger than mine).
    Thanks a lot for your help! I´ll go to bed now, since it´s past midnight in my part of the world, but every useful input is still very much welcomed.

    I´ll probably go with InXP until I have this sorted out completely.
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    It is not always gut feeling. People "build" and adjust their Fi with information or experience too. They could even be strongly religious and channel their feelings in a seemingly "traditional" manner (often though, they'll have an individual spin on that religion). In that sense, they can often explain their convictions if something disturbs them.

    Secondly, it could be values based on matters that are completely unrelated to typical morals. It could be a musician who developed the "values" of "Do it yourself" and "record companies suck" and operate in a way where they only produce their own records and make scathing remarks on "sell outs" who don't. What might seperate them from a Ti musician with the same criticism is that the Fi dude is simply more emotional in his arguments.. his criticism may be more impassioned or isn't as well thought out, or is slightly unconscious on all the reasons why they believe that way.. Or he might intentionally dismiss the idea of investigating "why". He might have a few personal reasons, and that's good enough for him. It probably comes out as a "gut feeling" disgust in a sense.

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    Fi is a rational decision-making process just like Ti is. I weigh the pros and cons before making a decision and I can certainly explain them. It's just that my pros and cons are not necessarily the most 'logical' ones.

    You do sound more T than F, though. Have you taken a cognitive function test? That might help more.
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