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    Quote Originally Posted by Serge View Post
    Not to derail my own thread but, according to this thread, F = Values and not feel good emotions and such. So, with that being said, would it be completely improbable for him to think that there's a greater good that can be accomplished and, as such, the cops should die?
    The sheer callousness of Light's actions make them very un-Fe. INTJs tend not to care who they have to shunt out of the way to achieve their ideals and schemes, INFJs do; as Fe is innately focused on the well-being of all those around it.

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    "I will save this world and be its God!" --seems INFJ'ish to me. Fe.

    "I will rule the world". --now that is INTJ'ish. Te.
    Either one could quite easily be Te/Fi. Te difference is the latter is an Enneagram 8 objective, whereas the former is an Enneagram 1 objective. Light is an INTJ 1w2 and seeks to remake the world to his perfect image; as opposed to for example Near (INTJ, 5w6), who is concerned only with solving puzzles; or Emperor Palpatine (INTJ, 8w9), who seeks to rule the universe.

    Now, Light's objective could very easily be Ni-Fe in nature, as opposed to Ni-Te, but then his actions would be markedly more magnanimous. An Fe user would not have even considered the possibility of killing L, or anyone else they did not deem a risk to the human race at large.
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    Upon re-reading this thread, I have concluded that whatever type you are, you are most likely not an INTJ, Serge. Not in my estimation anyway.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Aleksei View Post
    The sheer callousness of Light's actions make them very un-Fe. INTJs tend not to care who they have to shunt out of the way to achieve their ideals and schemes, INFJs do; as Fe is innately focused on the well-being of all those around it.
    INFJs aren't Fe dominant. I'd hope that INFJs, having Ni, would realize that they can't protect/save everyone. Ni/Fe seems innately focused on the well-being of those they choose.

    Either one could quite easily be Te/Fi. Te difference is the latter is an Enneagram 8 objective, whereas the former is an Enneagram 1 objective. Light is an INTJ 1w2 and seeks to remake the world to his perfect image; as opposed to for example Near (INTJ, 5w6), who is concerned only with solving puzzles; or Emperor Palpatine (INTJ, 8w9), who seeks to rule the universe.

    Now, Light's objective could very easily be Ni-Fe in nature, as opposed to Ni-Te, but then his actions would be markedly more magnanimous. An Fe user would not have even considered the possibility of killing L, or anyone else they did not deem a risk to the human race at large.
    Random thought: Near is callous and such, but I do think he slightly cared about the situation. He seemed personally livid that Light put himself above the rules of society and masqueraded as a god. Now L, to me, seemed to be the individual who just simply cared about solving the puzzle. L was a legitimate risk to humanity for the very fact that L was a legitimate risk to Light, himself. And even with that, Light made it his personal goal to eliminate L, he nearly made mistakes on his drive to destroy him. Would a T necessarily not do that? No. But I don't think it's likely if 'thinking' is being described in this thread correctly. But the whole L being the personal litmus of Light being a god thing seems very Fish.

    Pitseleh: Hmm, really? I know some T's who are super logical who think that 'efficiency' is all that matters but what is considered efficient is a value statement in itself. Is time saved more efficient than money saved? Etc. I don't think that's an indicator of F in itself.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Aleksei View Post

    Now, Light's objective could very easily be Ni-Fe in nature, as opposed to Ni-Te, but then his actions would be markedly more magnanimous.
    Well yes, he became the "savior" Kira. An INTJ would have preferred to stay hidden.

    An Fe user would not have even considered the possibility of killing L, or anyone else they did not deem a risk to the human race at large.
    Why not? Serge has a point. Light understands that sacrifices are necessary to fulfill his Ni.

    Awareness of means =/= Fe.

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    Good point but MBTI defines things in a different way than what it would generally mean in the regular sense. Everyone HAS values but it's used in a particular context in MBTI. It's talking about ETHICAL values. How much time is saved vs. how much you save is not an ethical judgment. I still highly doubt that you're INTJ.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Serge View Post
    Not to derail my own thread but, according to this thread, F = Values and not feel good emotions and such. So, with that being said, would it be completely improbable for him to think that there's a greater good that can be accomplished and, as such, the cops should die?
    The sheer callousness of Light's actions make them very un-Fe. INTJs tend not to care who they have to shunt out of the way to achieve their ideals and schemes, INFJs do; as Fe is innately focused on the well-being of all those around it.

    Quote Originally Posted by Craft View Post
    "I will save this world and be its God!" --seems INFJ'ish to me. Fe.

    "I will rule the world". --now that is INTJ'ish. Te.
    Either one could quite easily be Te/Fi. Te difference is the latter is an Enneagram 8 objective, whereas the former is an Enneagram 1 objective. Light is an INTJ 1w2 and seeks to remake the world to his perfect image; as opposed to for example Near (INTJ, 5w6), who is concerned only with solving puzzles; or Emperor Palpatine (INTJ, 8w9), who seeks to rule the universe.

    Now, Light's objective could very easily be Ni-Fe in nature, as opposed to Ni-Te, but then his actions would be markedly more magnanimous. An Fe user would not have even considered the possibility of killing L, or anyone else they did not deem a risk to others -- only dangerous criminals.
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    Whew. So sorry, Serge, I didn't mean to say abrasively that you weren't an INTJ and then disappear from the thread. I went back to re-read once more and gather evidence for my conclusion, but in the mean time, a whole bunch of other people posted. Okay, so, here's what I think.

    I don't think that your understanding of how an INFJ would use extraverted feeling is quite correct. INFJs often appear detached and in my opinion, mean. I can explain why. Fe is not the warm-and-fuzzy, hugging-strangers-on-the-street function that it's often made out to be, especially when it's paired with dominant Ni. It's mostly a proprietary function. My INFJ friend is mean, in my opinion, but she is highly concerned with doing and saying the "appropriate" thing. Appropriate is the key word. Not the nice thing, the appropriate thing. She is not someone you would want to hug as soon as you saw her. In fact, most people want to run away from her. LOL! She's concerned about how people 'view' her. She's obsessed with asking herself how her actions toward other people define her 'role' in a way that I don't understand.

    INFJs are not 'emotional' in the same way that ENFJs are, let alone in the same way that ENFPs are. It's either the ExFx or the ENFx that gives off the impression of warmth right off the bat.

    All of that said about INFJs, I see you as a likely IxFJ. I haven't seen that much Ni? Your blog post sounded IxFJ, leaning ISFJ to me. Your signature includes a quote, "I like life but life has a boyfriend," which is an extraverted feeling joke. I wouldn't use that as evidence, but it was just a little red herring to me as I was thinking about your type.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Serge View Post
    Some INTJs go on this hellbent drive to make everything logical and some INFJs feel the need to accommodate for everyone and dream about sweet perfect worlds and ignore everything that isn't a part of that, like other peoples opinions.
    This sounds possibly ISFJ-like to me.

    Quote Originally Posted by Serge View Post
    The only person in life that you HAVE to take care of is yourself and you really can't help anybody if you're always bending over backwards to make them "feel" better. Sometimes tough love is what you need.
    This could be xxFJ.

    Quote Originally Posted by Serge View Post
    It's just interesting, I think. I've been typed as a INTJ somewhat unanimously else where, by INFJs no less. Then, on another forum, I was typed as an INFJ, by INTJs no less; I kinda felt that this place was unbiased in a way (and yes, I do cruise a lot of mbti types if that's what you wondering about) The first time I took the MBTI test, I scored INTJ (And I scored INTJ the next few times over the span of a year or two, originally, I thought MBTI was bs and dismissed it nearly immediately) and as such, I joined the INTJ forum. Long story short, I felt like I think in the same way as many of the INTJs but I felt like my preference and what I wanted to be knowledgeable about was people. Thus I equated that to mean that I must be an INFJ. Even with the goal of knowing and understanding people, I seemed very much different than the INFJs. They just, quite frankly, seemed to emotional about everything. I know INFJs are logical thinking feelers and such, but the ones I have been around seem very emotional and such. They also seemed easily affected by movies and other such media that normally can't get an emotion out of me. Also, it seems that social skills and the 'need' to be social is prevalent in all INFJs. I had to work, hard, for my social skills (By observing, digesting, and then finally using the knowledge I had gained) and I also never 'needed' to be social. There are times when I want to and will completely withdraw from everyone in my life (Save friends if they somehow catch me/bother me) and I won't feel the need to connect with anyone. I don't 'need' it in the same fashion as an INFJ would (It appears based on my knowledge of MBTI and the ones I've meet

    Preference wise: I don't really ...care? I don't prefer to be either an INFJ or INTJ, I do believe that with that information, I can have another tool to examine me and how I interact with people.
    I don't know what I think about this post. It's not really indicative of any type in particular.

    You know what, I typed as an INTJ my freshman year of high school, and I really thought that was what I was until my junior year. That was when I met an actual INTJ and realized I was NF. It's the aspect of yourself that you simply cannot live without that counts for MBTI, Serge. There are so many, so many stereotypes about types that you have to discount in order to figure out your true preferences.


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    I'm completely dumbstruck, it seems no one here has considered that there is such a thing as an emotional T type (or a rational F type). Guys, people have tertiary goddamn functions.
    Aleksei, I think you're my favorite person on this forum. YOU ARE HILARIOUS. Your temper is so similar to mine.

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    Bravo Liesel, well said.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Pitseleh View Post
    Bravo Liesel, well said.
    High five! Side note. Maybe I'm just remembering incorrectly, but I swore your type used to be ENFJ?

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    hahaha, I wanted to try out a new type for awhile.

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