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    Quote Originally Posted by Aleksei View Post
    please, tell me more about how the obvious intj V is infj
    From a practical point of view: INFJs are notoriously hard to type, while INTJs are usually easier to identify. The very existence of such a long debate promotes the fact that the op. is an INFJ.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Litvyak View Post
    From a practical point of view: INFJs are notoriously hard to type, while INTJs are usually easier to identify. The very existence of such a long debate promotes the fact that the op. is an INFJ.
    There's no doubt that I don't fit the stereotypical profile of an INTJ, but I have a hard time thinking that I have Fe as a function. I mean, I like being social, having fun with people, and I also do take notice of an abuse of relationship (As in a friend who's going over the line, a customer being disrespectful to an server, etc) and I like taking care of my closest friends if anything were ever to arise, but I don't think I value it to the point that I would sacrifice myself and my priorities just to make sure I don't disrupt the harmony of the group.

    I think that's really the main issue with me being an INFJ. I don't place other people above me in order of need (To be a be able to help someone, you need not need help yourself. If you can't say no or you're always bending to the will of others, I think that's a issue.) and I'm ready to cause chaos if something is wrong. I am direct and confrontational.

    Also, why are INFJs hard to type? Based on the INFJ forum, it seems like it'd be a fairly easy process. Just check for Ni and make sure they aren't an INTJ. Y'know?
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    Superficially, the length of the thread indicates arguing for the sake of arguing, aka exploring the truth, aka introverted thinking. If the priority were to match self image to an external standard and assess for correspondence, then the thread is likely over fairly quickly. (Also, INFJs tend to react badly to being told truths--it's all so a priori and to be resisted, right? The real truth has to be explored, right?)

    That aside, the primary stumbling block seem to be how Fe can't organise for efficiency. Which it can. Fe is as directive, as object focused, as demanding as Te.

    And points for an anime avatar but c'mon, "life has a boyfriend"?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Kalach View Post
    That aside, the primary stumbling block seem to be how Fe can't organise for efficiency. Which it can. Fe is as directive, as object focused, as demanding as Te.
    Surprisingly your previous point was good, but here we've hit the little snag you tripped on in the Firefly thread: You don't know what Fe is. Fe. Isn't. Rational. It's organized to be sure, but it is not object-focused, it is subject-focused. It focuses on social organization, and manages in a much less curt or directive manner than Te.

    Te: Simpson, I need you to update those reports by noon today, or your ass is gone.

    Fe: Bart, look. I understand what you're going through, it can't be easy to find out your girlfriend is a transvestite space clown, but I really need those reports, the big man is leaning on us something fierce. I'm gonna give you a break now because that's the kind of guy I am, but if you don't have them by noon I'm gonna have to fire you. I'm sorry.

    Oh, and he's clearly introspective. The more he tells about himself, the more he seems an Fi user, as opposed to Fe. In fact, this in itself is the refutation to your Ti point: He's finding out the truth about himself, rather than about impersonal principles, which could as easily be an Fi impulse. As Ti seeks precision in logic, so does Fi seek precision in values and feelings.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Aleksei View Post
    Surprisingly your previous point was good, but here we've hit the little snag you tripped on in the Firefly thread: You don't know what Fe is. Fe. Isn't. Rational. It's organized to be sure, but it is not object-focused, it is subject-focused. It focuses on social organization, and manages in a much less curt or directive manner than Te.
    Jung says it is rational, so nyah.

    And the objects it focuses on are people.

    Which is a backwards way of saying "objective" and "subjective" as used in this context line up with "extroverted" and "introverted". Every e function is objective in that the function takes its content from an environment formally distinct from "the" subject, that subject being the person who is having a cognitive functioning.

    Oh, and he's clearly introspective. The more he tells about himself, the more he seems an Fi user, as opposed to Fe. In fact, this in itself is the refutation to your Ti point: He's finding out the truth about himself, rather than about impersonal principles, which could easily be an Fi impulse. As Ti seeks precision in logic, so does Fi seek precision in values and feelings.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Kalach View Post
    Jung says it is rational, so nyah.
    Jung was an Fi-dominant clown. Surely he'd see himself as "rational."

    Quote Originally Posted by Kalach View Post
    Serge is a he? In that case, the sig lines are proof enough.
    ...that he uses a Feeling function, something fierce, which he does. His Fi is out of control.
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    Just on a hunch, I asked my ISFP guy I know (Quinlan, I believe he's on this forum) about Fi and Se and I've found that, based on these two sites here and here I've found a few phrases that I find strikingly to how I act and think
    ISFPs tend to be quiet and reserved, and difficult to get to know well. They hold back their ideas and opinions except from those who they are closest to. They are likely to be kind, gentle and sensitive in their dealings with others. They are interested in contributing to people's sense of well-being and happiness, and will put a great deal of effort and energy into tasks which they believe in.
    The introvert part is correct and I tend to hold back my opinions now because I understand that not everyone likes a 'know it all' I'm not always kind, gentle, and sensitive with my dealings with others though.


    ISFPs are action-oriented individuals. They are "doers", and are usually uncomfortable with theorizing concepts and ideas, unless they see a practical application.
    I can see a bit of this in myself as well. For example, I learned enough music theory to get me back, I never had a need to learn chord progression (Although I know in a round about way how they work) so I didn't learn it.



    ISFPs are extremely perceptive and aware of others. They constantly gather specific information about people, and seek to discover what it means. They are usually penetratingly accurate in their perceptions of others.
    Should be obvious at this point

    "ISFPs are warm and sympathetic. They genuinely care about people, and are strongly service-oriented in their desire to please. They have an unusually deep well of caring for those who are close to them, and are likely to show their love through actions, rather than words."
    I've been told that I'm warm and sympathetic. I do care about peoples. I want to help people. And I do show my love through actions, not words, if it's my choice. (Some people have a certain love language, y'know?)


    ISFPs have no desire to lead or control others, just as they have no desire to be led or controlled by others. They need space and time alone to evaluate the circumstances of their life against their value system, and are likely to respect other people's needs for the same.

    The ISFP is likely to not give themself enough credit for the things which they do extremely well. Their strong value systems can lead them to be intensely perfectionist, and cause them to judge themselves with unneccesary harshness.
    I don't care about leading and I'm okay with being lead if the person is more competent than me. I tend to not credit myself enough, I'm rather harsh on myself/perfectionist I suppose.


    ISFPs may be quite charming and ingratiating on first acquaintance, flowing with compliments which may (or may not) be deserved. On other occasions, the same individual may be aloof and detached. Some ISFP males are fiercely competitive, especially in sport or table games, and may have great difficulty losing. This competitive nature, also seen in other SP types, sometimes fosters 'lucky,' 'gut' feelings and a willingness to take risks.
    This happens to me all that time actually! It actually shocks me when someone comes up to me and says "So what happened with you and ....You were being pretty hot and heavy last night" I'm also excessively competitive when I THINK I should be capable of winning. The most recent occasion I can recall is when I was playing a video game, on hard mode, for the first time and I was having excessive trouble with a boss because I did not level up to a sufficient level and it was on HARD mode. For some reason, I thought my skill would account for both my low level and the hard mode. Now, I did eventually win, but it extremely perturbed me that I couldn't win.


    in everyday activities they are tolerant, open-minded, flexible, and adaptable. If one of their inner loyalties is threatened though, they will not give an inch. They usually enjoy the present moment, and do not like to spoil it by rushing to get things done. They have little wish to impress or dominate. The people they prize the most are those who take the time to understand their values and the goals they are working toward.
    I'm fairly tolerant and open minded about a lot of things (Being open minded about bigotry is retarded lol) and I'm also fairly flexible (I don't make plans to such an detailed extent that I can't change them if I 'need' or 'want' too.)


    They take a very personal approach to life, judging everything by their inner ideals and personal values. They stick to their values with passionate conviction, but can be influenced by someone they care deeply about. Although their inner loyalties and ideals govern their lives, ISFPs find these hard to talk about. Their deepest feelings are seldom expressed; their inner tenderness is masked by a quiet reserve.
    Maybe I value efficiency? :p. I can be influenced by someone I care deeply about. In fact, my caring about other people was brought about by one of my best friends when she described to me why it was somewhat important to not be an ass to everyone. Also stopped cussing as much, as well.


    They are interested mainly in the realities brought to them by their senses, both inner and outer. They are apt to enjoy fields where taste, discriminating, and a sense of beauty and proportion are important. Many ISFPs have a special love of nature and a sympathy with animals. They often excel in craftsmanship, and the work of their hands is usually more eloquent than their words.
    I'm pretty picky when it comes to certain aesthetics. I recall having a peculiar revolting feeling when I saw a HIV cell. I don't know why, but I couldn't bear to look at it. I also have a pretty picky ear but that's most likely because I'm a musician. Awkwardly enough, animals tend to like me

    There's a few more things but I'm a bit tired. Also, since I have so many similarities with this type, which has the same functions as an INTJ, wouldn't this lead itself to me having the same functions? I'll do an ISTP one soon, as well, when i get the time. Question, though, I recall my friend telling me that I know so much about her and yet she knows next to nothing about me, would that be more typical of an INTJ, INFJ, or any other type.
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    Neither INTJ nor INFJ. Those were possibilities suggested by other people that you're running with to see how they work out.

    INFP.




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    My attention span only lasted for 2 pages, but you sound like you don't want to be an INFJ. Which, I hate to say, isn't the most T-ish thing. A typologically confused INTJ would simply want to put ALL the facts out there and get the truth. The way you're trying to subtly promote yourself as an INTJ indicates a subjective slant to your self-analysis, which goes against what T's generally do/stand for.

    INFJs rock. INFJs roll. If it's the "badass genius" INTJ stereotype you're after, INFJ is the same thing, except maybe a little broodier.
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