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    Quote Originally Posted by Serge View Post


    I..hmm...I'm not sure. I don't tend to learn anything just for the sake of learning. I like learning things that are relevant/interesting to me (Like music, anime/manga, etc) or things that I think will be useful in the future. Compared to an INTP who seem to learn just to learn, I'm just..not that similar. I'll learn things I'm interested in but I won't go out of my way to learn things that I'm not really interested in and don't really boost my knowledge in anything (Such as where random beer brand is manufactured, what type of barrel is it stored in....well....actually, I do know a little bit about that but the point still stands!) A random example of this is that I stopped reading fiction books, I know they are 'mind expanding and all these great things' but I find that non fiction is just as good for the mind expanding bits and you also learn something that's relevant to the real world. Plus, I have a great imagination myself, don't need help lol.
    Dude, I am totally like this. It has to be interesting and/or useful to me or I just zone out. For example, I am really interested in psychology, anthropology so I read up on that. However, if something bores me but helps me w/ a goal, I learn it like for a good grade. It's not necessarily Te. All it proves is that you use Pi and Je.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Craft View Post
    1. Music has no significant correlation to type. It may have a correlation but not enough to help in typing.

    2. If you're talking "things" in general, it's too relative. Mechanics likes learning how mechanic things work. Drivers enjoy driving etc. The information dichotomy provides a general preference on information, not specifics. Some NT's like history, some NF's like politics, others hate it. Therefore, this doesn't help much in typing. People are relative beings but their functions and it's hierarchy are not.
    People like what they are. And you are right. "Devices" would be more exact term


    3. Yeah, me too.

    4. May point out something but still quite vague to form a proper conclusion.



    How does any of these show E nor T?
    The answers have a pronounced tendency to E. Three from four is enough for the conclusion. Tendency. No rigid sign!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Serge View Post
    It doesn't. You don't use one function, then another, then another. They're usually paired up and even then they tend to go own somewhat simultaneously. And no. I am not implying that.
    Then I have not understood what you were trying to say...




    I..hmm...I'm not sure. I don't tend to learn anything just for the sake of learning. I like learning things that are relevant/interesting to me (Like music, anime/manga, etc) or things that I think will be useful in the future. Compared to an INTP who seem to learn just to learn, I'm just..not that similar. I'll learn things I'm interested in but I won't go out of my way to learn things that I'm not really interested in and don't really boost my knowledge in anything (Such as where random beer brand is manufactured, what type of barrel is it stored in....well....actually, I do know a little bit about that but the point still stands!) A random example of this is that I stopped reading fiction books, I know they are 'mind expanding and all these great things' but I find that non fiction is just as good for the mind expanding bits and you also learn something that's relevant to the real world. Plus, I have a great imagination myself, don't need help lol.
    I think the same way AND I'm an INTP but does this make me an MBTI anomaly? No, it's simply my values "pushing" my temperament. (possibly my inferior Pi Je)

    Nevertheless, how does this address my post? This does not disprove you being INFJ.


    Hmm...I'm not obsessed but I can say that I have a similar drive...maybe it has more to do with enneagram type than MBTI? I'm a 5w6 and that's common among 5w6's. The drive to be prepared for the future.
    Wow! I'm a 5w6 myself!(sarcasm)

    I don't understand enneagram well enough but I don't believe MBTI(or more generally "Typology") can't explain this.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Craft View Post
    Then I have not understood what you were trying to say...
    That's fine. It's unimportant to this discussion.


    I think the same way AND I'm an INTP but does this make me an MBTI anomaly? No, it's simply my values "pushing" my temperament. (possibly my inferior Pi Je)

    Nevertheless, how does this address my post? This does not disprove you being INFJ.
    Wait, am I still trying to disprove my INFJness? I was just explaining more about myself, not trying to disprove anything.

    Wow! I'm a 5w6 myself!(sarcasm)

    I don't understand enneagram well enough but I don't believe MBTI(or more generally "Typology") can't explain this.
    Eh. I suppose. I tend to see MBTI simply as a tool to describe how a person thinks, that could have a lot or not much to do with a particular persons values might be.
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    I've read through this entire thread, the blog entry, looked at the video and admit to being confused. How do you know either INFJ or INTJ is right?

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    Hehe, I guess it 'could' be possible. Never thought about it much, I don't think I use Ne that much. I jump to conclusions, I don't tend to have that Ne brain storm.

    Hmm.

    Ni - Yes, I have it.
    Ne - I can use it, it's not completely foreign to me.
    Te - I make plans/focus on efficiency
    Ti - I want things to be as accurate as possible.
    Fi - My values are important to me. I'll fight for them no matter who's breaking them. I'll fight it by myself. I don't need a group.
    Fe - I tend to have a vested interest in people.
    Se - I love being physical. I love sports, being physically involved in life, and such.
    Si - Ehrm, I have a good recall. I know what something should 'be' like. I don't tend to be sentimental nor do I have good memory when it comes to events.
    How would you describe Ni and why do you feel you are Ni dominant? How do you know for example that you're not Si, Fi, or Ti dominant?

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    I'm more about individual core values than I am connecting with others.. I tend to like being socially appropriate but I don't think it's something that runs my life or anything like that.
    That does sound more Fi than Fe.

    Quote Originally Posted by Serge View Post
    I don't tend to learn anything just for the sake of learning.
    I don't think this is the right way to view the core difference between Ti and Te. I see it several times spread through the thread.

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    Quote Originally Posted by highlander View Post
    I've read through this entire thread, looked at the video and admit to being confused. How do you know either INFJ or INTJ is right?



    How would you describe Ni and why do you feel you are Ni dominant? How do you know for example that you're not Si, Fi, or Ti dominant?
    I'd hate to use generalities, but it's the typical "Ni" things that you see on the internet. I don't have 'visions' nor am I a fortune teller but I have a lot of instances where I will just have the answer to something without any facts on the particular situation and perhaps then I can work back to it and also I am able to see how something is going to go down. For example, I remember two years ago when I shocked my girl of interest when I told her how one person was going to react to another person when he walked into the room. It was a fairly complex set of actions (Walking up to her, making conversation, she get distracted, he starts getting mad and starts distancing herself from her to get her attention, and then eventually) and I had only known both of the people for 8 hours at the most. I can see a lot of things from various view points which helps me with making contingency plans, since I already know what's the most likely thing to fail.

    I don't believe I'm a Si dom because it's a function I really don't care to use. I don't look to the past and compare to the present. I'm always looking for new experiences and looking towards the future.

    Fi dominant? Well....I picture a Fi dominant person as someone who always knows how they are feeling immediately and they follow their heart more than anything. I try to make the 'logical' choice when it involves my feelings, if that makes sense? It's not out of the question, I suppose.

    Ti dominant? I'm just...not that analytical. I've had discussion with many INTPs/ENTPs and my thought patterns just seem...different. I try to focus on the big picture and they'll focus on the details. Together, we're great but when we're arguing with each other, it can tend to drag on a while. The INTP will apply his details to a real world large model and I will apply my top down view with actual concrete details.

    Se dominant? I'm not all that dexterous, I love feeling sensations and such, but I don't think I live purely for the moment.

    Fe dominant? Quite frankly, I don't feel like I understand Fe enough to make a decision on this one. Fe in the dominant role tends to want to take care of people to the detriment of the self, sometimes. I ...feel like everyone should be capable of living a full and prosperous life, by themselves. With that being said, I'll help my friends and family, I'll even take care of them. But I would only do this for a select few individuals, my family (and I consider family to be of the people I choose to be close to me, not blood necessarily. Although there is a high correlation.) and I'm not sure if that has anything to do with type. Fe also has expectations about how people should act, I don't really. I know how I should act. If people are rude, that's life, if they cross me, I'll likely ignore them or cuss them out. I don't really 'care' about how people act, they can do what they want, but I am also aware about how people view actions. With that being said, I do care a bit about how people view me.

    Te dominant: I've seen ENTJs. I just know! lol

    Ne dominant: I can have a very one track mind at times. Once I get an idea something is right, I'll think about other possibilities but I'll likely stick to the one that I 'jumped" too. That's not the behavior of a Ne dominant person.

    That does sound more Fi than Fe.
    Aleksei and I have been talking about Fi and Fe lately. I'm confused. People like to bend it ever so slightly depending on what type it is.

    I don't think this is the right way to view the core difference between Ti and Te. I see it several times spread through the thread.
    Te = Contingency planning/Practical application
    Ti = Detail oriented/Seeking for the most correct answer?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Serge View Post
    I'd hate to use generalities, but it's the typical "Ni" things that you see on the internet. I don't have 'visions' nor am I a fortune teller but I have a lot of instances where I will just have the answer to something without any facts on the particular situation and perhaps then I can work back to it and also I am able to see how something is going to go down. For example, I remember two years ago when I shocked my girl of interest when I told her how one person was going to react to another person when he walked into the room. It was a fairly complex set of actions (Walking up to her, making conversation, she get distracted, he starts getting mad and starts distancing herself from her to get her attention, and then eventually) and I had only known both of the people for 8 hours at the most. I can see a lot of things from various view points which helps me with making contingency plans, since I already know what's the most likely thing to fail.
    Thanks for indulging me on this.

    Does it look something like this?

    http://www.typologycentral.com/forum...99-post34.html

    Is this something that happens all the time? Every day?

    Why do you feel this function, amongst all of them, is the most dominant for you?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Serge View Post
    Te = Practical application
    Define "Practical". All things are done out of "practicality", the only differences are "values". Me not doing anything right now is "practical" to me.

    Fe is also "practical" application. The difference is that it is more in tune with environmental value than Te. Te relies on Fi.

    I'm more about individual core values than I am connecting with others.. I tend to like being socially appropriate but I don't think it's something that runs my life or anything like that.
    That definitely sounds Fi. But I'm thinking this can also be Ti? As in, "principles"?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Craft View Post
    Define "Practical". All things are done out of "practicality", the only differences are "values". Me not doing anything right now is "practical" to me.

    Fe is also "practical" application. The difference is that it is more in tune with environmental value than Te. Te relies on Fi.

    That definitely sounds Fi. But I'm thinking this can also be Ti? As in, "principles"?
    Yeah, I'm not sure I like those definitions/distinctions either but don't think defining "practical" is the way to go about this.

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    Another two questions might help.

    1. Of those people you greatly admire, what are the top five qualities those individuals have that caused you to admire them?

    2. Of those people you can't stand, what are the five qualities or characteristics that cause you to not like them?

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