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    Quote Originally Posted by shortnsweet View Post
    Te/Fi having a broad knowledge base and collecting information for the heck of it?...
    No, the point is he's not doing it for the hell of it, he's doing it because he figures it'll be useful. That's Te.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Aleksei View Post
    Contingency planning. He has a broad knowledge base, but per his words (not in this thread, we discussed this over IM later) he amasses knowledge not out of interest for it but because he feels it could be useful. Then there's his confrontational nature, even despite himself (something I recognize in myself), that's definite Te and Fi at work. Ti users argue for the hell of it, and as a tool to refine a point, they're not too serious about it.
    Quote Originally Posted by shortnsweet View Post
    It's a J thing.
    Yes. And consider the fact that his Ti is in submission to his Ni lessening his priority in accuracy.

    Quote Originally Posted by Aleksei View Post
    No, the point is he's not doing it for the hell of it, he's doing it because he figures it'll be useful. That's Te.
    It's not just Te, it's a "J" thing.


    Quote Originally Posted by Serge View Post
    I meant subjectively as in it seems based on how I perceive, and then how I feel about what I'm viewing/observing. At that point, I use Ti to make sure it's valid. I think Ni Te would be more focused on it being practical, then "good".
    I don't think function hierarchy determines order of thought...

    Are you also implying that the HOF(hierarchy of functions) defines alignment? That T's won't have "stronger values" than F's?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Craft View Post
    It's not Te, it's a "J" thing.
    Contingency planning is specifically a Te trait, which is why it's written in as a "J" trait. The letters are not independent categories, they are based on functional order, and in fact can be ignored altogether because of this (and should, given that strong lower functions can mess up a person's letter-based type).
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    Quote Originally Posted by Aleksei View Post
    No, the point is he's not doing it for the hell of it, he's doing it because he figures it'll be useful. That's Te.
    Oh, I see what you're saying.
    I read what I wanted to read, not what you wrote.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Aleksei View Post
    Contingency planning is specifically a Te trait, which is why it's written in as a "J" trait. The letters are not independent categories, they are based on functional order, and in fact can be ignored altogether because of this (and should, given that strong lower functions can mess up a person's letter-based type).
    "He's not doing it for the hell of it, he's doing it because he figures it'll be useful" does not mean contingency planning.

    "Usefulness" Or "Goal-oriented" tasks does not exclusively mean Te, it means J(Pi Je or Je Pi).

    View = Traditional Si or Visionary Ni
    Control = Organizational Protocol(Te) or Social Protocol(Fe).

    Goal-oriented(or "because he figures it'll be useful") can be about idealistic visions(Ni Fe) or "objective" ambitions(Pi Te).

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    Quote Originally Posted by Aleksei View Post
    No, the point is he's not doing it for the hell of it, he's doing it because he figures it'll be useful. That's Te.
    I get what you're saying but I know INFJs who are obsessed with having the 'right training' (in the sense that they want the 'correct' degrees) for their future occupations. Overall, he uses more Fe than Te, in my opinion.

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    Quote Originally Posted by shortnsweet View Post
    Oh, I see what you're saying.
    I read what I wanted to read, not what you wrote.
    It's ok.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Craft View Post
    "He's not doing it for the hell of it, he's doing it because he figures it'll be useful" does not mean contingency planning.

    "Usefulness" Or "Goal-oriented" tasks does not exclusively mean Te, it means J(Pi Je or Je Pi).

    View = Traditional Si or Visionary Ni
    Control = Organizational Protocol(Te) or Social Protocol(Fe).

    Goal-oriented(or "because he figures it'll be useful") can be about idealistic visions(Ni Fe) or "objective" ambitions(Pi Te).
    Seems the latter, to me, but only Serge himself can answer that.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Aleksei View Post
    Seems the latter, to me, but only Serge himself can answer that.
    Having Dominant J functions may significantly[though perhaps not absolutely] imply seeking knowledge for application but it doesn't directly[maybe indirectly] determine what one's goals and ambitions are.

    NF's are usually known to have idealistic/humanitarian goals and NT's having scientific ones but this is simplified generalization and not what is actual reality.

    You can be XNFJ Martin Luther King Jr. or you can be INFJ this guy:

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    It's hard for him to let go of that Fe, isn't it?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Craft View Post
    Yes. And consider the fact that his Ti is in submission to his Ni lessening his priority in accuracy.


    It's not just Te, it's a "J" thing.




    I don't think function hierarchy determines order of thought...

    Are you also implying that the HOF(hierarchy of functions) defines alignment? That T's won't have "stronger values" than F's?
    It doesn't. You don't use one function, then another, then another. They're usually paired up and even then they tend to go own somewhat simultaneously. And no. I am not implying that.

    Quote Originally Posted by Craft View Post
    "He's not doing it for the hell of it, he's doing it because he figures it'll be useful" does not mean contingency planning.

    "Usefulness" Or "Goal-oriented" tasks does not exclusively mean Te, it means J(Pi Je or Je Pi).

    View = Traditional Si or Visionary Ni
    Control = Organizational Protocol(Te) or Social Protocol(Fe).

    Goal-oriented(or "because he figures it'll be useful") can be about idealistic visions(Ni Fe) or "objective" ambitions(Pi Te).
    I..hmm...I'm not sure. I don't tend to learn anything just for the sake of learning. I like learning things that are relevant/interesting to me (Like music, anime/manga, etc) or things that I think will be useful in the future. Compared to an INTP who seem to learn just to learn, I'm just..not that similar. I'll learn things I'm interested in but I won't go out of my way to learn things that I'm not really interested in and don't really boost my knowledge in anything (Such as where random beer brand is manufactured, what type of barrel is it stored in....well....actually, I do know a little bit about that but the point still stands!) A random example of this is that I stopped reading fiction books, I know they are 'mind expanding and all these great things' but I find that non fiction is just as good for the mind expanding bits and you also learn something that's relevant to the real world. Plus, I have a great imagination myself, don't need help lol.

    Quote Originally Posted by Liesl View Post
    I get what you're saying but I know INFJs who are obsessed with having the 'right training' (in the sense that they want the 'correct' degrees) for their future occupations. Overall, he uses more Fe than Te, in my opinion.

    Hmm...I'm not obsessed but I can say that I have a similar drive...maybe it has more to do with enneagram type than MBTI? I'm a 5w6 and that's common among 5w6's. The drive to be prepared for the future.
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