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    Hello, I just joined up because I'm very interested in personality theory/ typology, yet still confused about my own type. I've taken the MBTI with my college's career counseling but I haven't yet seen the results. I also took Keirsey's second temperament sorter out of his book, Please Understand Me II. On that test, scored Ixxx -- strong I, and the rest were pretty much on the border. I think I had about 60% N. I've taken other tests online, but I can't find a cognitive process one. On the regular 4-letter tests, I've scored ISFJ mostly. But again, all the dimensions except Introversion were close.

    So, I assumed I was an ISFJ, but then I read through the type's various descriptions, including Keirsey's (one of the few that doesn't treat the ISFJ as a dumb doormat character). Then I realized some of the more fundamental attributes of the type don't fit me well at all. For example, I don't have much of a desire for safety and security. I have very little sense of loyalty or duty, and I don't feel responsible to/for anyone. (And I HATE children, I intend to get sterilized asap and never have them.) I don't really think I have any obligations at all, I just follow my interests, which change but still remain constant. Well, that's confusing. I meant they change within one larger field, and the field is what remains constant. The one thing I can't usually do well is express things sequentially. I have very little sense of morality. I don't see things as "right" and "wrong", it is all contextual/situational for me.

    I am also very unreliable. I don't expect people to be there for me, but I don't want to have to be there for other people. When others get emotional, I get very uncomfortable because I've realized that crying people don't want my potential solutions, they want sympathy I can't provide. I can't even tell what I'm feeling most of the time. I am not sarcastic normally but when angry or under pressure, I can really piss people off with my sarcasm.

    Also, I don't believe that something is better than a new idea just because it worked last time. I don't necessarily respect something more just because it was done before. A track record of excellence alone does not, to me, guarantee excellence in the future. And also, I don't necessarily want guarantees, as I trust my ability to find a way out if something goes wrong, WHEN it goes wrong. I don't need certainty, and I've accepted that even my best ideas cannot be airtight anyway. Something will crash and burn at some point, and the best I can do is rebuild and correct my course along the way. I am fine with that. I think we either control everything or nothing anyway, because the things we don't control can just conspire against us in a manner that derails our plan -- so we essentially have no absolute control. I am also fine with that. (So I don't sound very J, do I?)

    One part of the ISFJ description that fits me perfectly is the tendency to be seen as stiff and cold. However, I would not say that these perceptions are completely wrong. I don't think I am "warm hearted" inside. I am shy, though, and I don't like talking to people and socializing. Most people irritate me with their prattling about what they did last weekend, what they saw on TV, how so-and-so did x, y, and z. I can't keep up with that type of conversation and I don't care for it.

    Actually there's another part about our frugality and the whole "good with money" thing. That's very true of me. I'm not good with money for the sake of it, though, I just tend to not desire things that cost money. I am just naturally cheap, haha. It's not because I am worried about the future. I guess this is similar to the duty part -- I don't think it's my duty to save money, and I don't feel obligated to do so, I just naturally end up being that way, which is similar to following an interest (not literally).

    Anyway, I realize this is long, but I'm really confused about my type, as you can see. Please help me! Thanks in advance for your time.

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    ISTJ.

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    he he... I was thinking that you sounded kind of like my ISTJ (who doesn't feel a duty to society, but to himself and tends to avoid children as if they were cockroaches)

    here is the cognitive processes test
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    Don't make too much of the SJ descriptions. They're the worst and most inaccurate of all the temperament descriptions.

    Since we've lost our other resident cranky and critical ISFJ, JTG1984, I hope you stick around.

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    Thanks guys for the quick responses. (and for the link) Here are my results:

    Cognitive Process Level of Development (Preference, Skill and Frequency of Use)
    extraverted Sensing (Se) ********************** (22.4)
    limited use
    introverted Sensing (Si) *************** (16)
    unused
    extraverted Intuiting (Ne) ************************************************ (48.5)
    excellent use
    introverted Intuiting (Ni) ******************************* (31.3)
    good use
    extraverted Thinking (Te) ******************************** (32.4)
    good use
    introverted Thinking (Ti) ********************************************** (46.8)
    excellent use
    extraverted Feeling (Fe) ************** (14.9)
    unused
    introverted Feeling (Fi) *************************** (27.1)
    average use


    Am I right thinking that ISxJs have Si as their dominant? Now I'm really confused haha

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    My my. You're really an ENTP. LOL!

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    Complete lack of Si. I noticed this in your intial post, even before I looked at your functions test, so I don't know why these people are saying ISTJ.

    You are not an SJ.

    Also, "contextual morality" indicates you're probably either some kind of FP or T type.

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    ^ They probably skimmed the post before replying. I just looked at the time stamps and I think would need more than one minute to read what I wrote there haha. Anyway, thanks for the response. I guess I could be ISFP? Though the process test doesn't agree with that either.


    As for the bad SJ descriptions, I think the people writing them have some kind of beef with SJs. Seriously, they make it sound like SJ = dumb sheep and from the SJs I know (even if I'm not one) that's far from true.

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    well, yeah! everyone knows that geniuses are only Ns and that all SJs are either sheep or jackbooted fascists, while all SPs are either stoned or partying like Britney

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    Quote Originally Posted by penny89 View Post
    As for the bad SJ descriptions, I think the people writing them have some kind of beef with SJs. Seriously, they make it sound like SJ = dumb sheep and from the SJs I know (even if I'm not one) that's far from true.
    The descriptions really are crap. Seriously. But people do need another group to throw their poo at like monkeys. It's cathartic for them or something.

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