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    Interesting stuff here.

    EDIT: Z has convinced me at least for the moment that 5 is indeed possible.

    http://www.enneagraminstitute.com/me...isid/5and8.asp

    "Misidentifying Fives and Eights

    These two types are not often mistyped, but share similar attitudes. Eights and Fives both see themselves as outsiders and both feel rejected easily. Both are highly independent, and willing to go to battle with anyone who threatens their independence. Both believe in direct communication, can be aggressive, and tend to protect their vulnerability.

    Eights sometimes see themselves as Fives because they go to Five in stress, and therefore recall times when they have withdrawn from others to strategize and think about their future courses of action. Nonetheless, Eights more often deal with problems head on, and can be highly assertive in going after what they want. Fives, by contrast, tend to retreat from others and to cut off from many of their needs in order to avoid risking dependencies.

    Eights are highly instinctual and very related to their bodies: they are people of practical action, pragmatism, and sensuality, as a result. Fives tend to stay in their heads more, and often have an ambivalent relationship with their bodies. Staying grounded and practical can be a problem for Fives–it is almost never one for Eights. Compare James Joyce (a Five) with Ernest Hemingway (an Eight)."

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    ^ Interesting.

    Odd that they would say they're not often mistyped, and then go into all these similarities they possess...

    Seems to me like the potential for mistyping would be pretty high...

    It almost seems to me like INTx's would tend to be 5s, and ENTx's would tend to be 8s (aside from ENTP 7s, of course), and so the difference would largely fall along an individual's introversion/extroversion balance.

    This is part of the reason why I think I have a difficulty with this, because my introversion/extroversion is pretty well balanced.

    I don't think it's a 1:1 correlation, but I would assume it would be reasonably high...

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    Quote Originally Posted by highlander View Post
    Interesting stuff here.

    http://www.enneagraminstitute.com/me...isid/5and8.asp

    "Misidentifying Fives and Eights

    These two types are not often mistyped, but share similar attitudes. Eights and Fives both see themselves as outsiders and both feel rejected easily. Both are highly independent, and willing to go to battle with anyone who threatens their independence. Both believe in direct communication, can be aggressive, and tend to protect their vulnerability.

    Eights sometimes see themselves as Fives because they go to Five in stress, and therefore recall times when they have withdrawn from others to strategize and think about their future courses of action. Nonetheless, Eights more often deal with problems head on, and can be highly assertive in going after what they want. Fives, by contrast, tend to retreat from others and to cut off from many of their needs in order to avoid risking dependencies.

    Eights are highly instinctual and very related to their bodies: they are people of practical action, pragmatism, and sensuality, as a result. Fives tend to stay in their heads more, and often have an ambivalent relationship with their bodies. Staying grounded and practical can be a problem for Fives–it is almost never one for Eights. Compare James Joyce (a Five) with Ernest Hemingway (an Eight)."
    Types Five and Eight. Observers and Protectors share some of the same personality traits because the Observer is the stress type of the Protector and the Protector is the security type of the Observer. Both types value respect and truth, resist control, become possessive of space and key resources, and are curious. Observers feeling secure become more engaged and outgoing and express their desires, their feelings and their anger and position. Protectors in stress become more withdrawn, retrained and reflective.

    However, in general, Observers are the most retracted, contained, and measured type on the Enneagram: they conserve their energy, reduce their needs, and almost always think before acting. Protectors, by contrast, are the most expansive, expressive and excessive type on the Enneagram: they expand their energy, directly express their desires and their angers, and often act before thinking.

    from the essential enneagram, david daniels.
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    Quote Originally Posted by mmhmm View Post
    Types Five and Eight. Observers and Protectors share some of the same personality traits because the Observer is the stress type of the Protector and the Protector is the security type of the Observer. Both types value respect and truth, resist control, become possessive of space and key resources, and are curious. Observers feeling secure become more engaged and outgoing and express their desires, their feelings and their anger and position. Protectors in stress become more withdrawn, retrained and reflective.

    However, in general, Observers are the most retracted, contained, and measured type on the Enneagram: they conserve their energy, reduce their needs, and almost always think before acting. Protectors, by contrast, are the most expansive, expressive and excessive type on the Enneagram: they expand their energy, directly express their desires and their angers, and often act before thinking.
    I mean, at least with regards to NTJs, doesn't this just sound like 8s are ENTJs and 5s are INTJs?

    When INTJs go more Te and start extroverting, this is akin to moving from 5 to 8...

    And when ENTJs go more Ni and start introverting, this is akin to moving from 8 to 5...

    A similar comparison could be drawn between ENTPs and INTPs (just not as strongly, probably).

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    Quote Originally Posted by mmhmm View Post
    Types Five and Eight. Observers and Protectors share some of the same personality traits because the Observer is the stress type of the Protector and the Protector is the security type of the Observer. Both types value respect and truth, resist control, become possessive of space and key resources, and are curious. Observers feeling secure become more engaged and outgoing and express their desires, their feelings and their anger and position. Protectors in stress become more withdrawn, retrained and reflective.

    However, in general, Observers are the most retracted, contained, and measured type on the Enneagram: they conserve their energy, reduce their needs, and almost always think before acting. Protectors, by contrast, are the most expansive, expressive and excessive type on the Enneagram: they expand their energy, directly express their desires and their angers, and often act before thinking.

    from the essential enneagram, david daniels.
    That does sound like extraversion vs. introversion. I think there are some 5 things and 8 things that apply to me as I begin to learn more about 5.

    Quote Originally Posted by highlander View Post
    I can see why some on the forum would think I might be a 5 based on how I interact here. It's a fun opportunity to indulge myself - diving in, learning and researching stuff, constantly increasing my overall understanding of this system which involves human interactions. I think 5 and INTJ have a lot of synergies. It would create less internal tension for an INTJ to be a 5 than to be another type. Having considered it quite a bit yesterday though, I actually do not believe I am a 5. This is why:

    - I've taken 3 different tests all with the same result of an 8; the first was 8OMNI, then 8w7, then 8w7; 5 is way down the list in terms of what is likely on those tests
    - Many of the words that characterize a 5 do not resonate with me at all: frugal, minimalist, feels invisible, avarice, hoarder, austere surroundings, isolated, loner, passive, reclusive
    - The words that characterize an 8 do resonate with me but I hesitate to put them down here because they mostly make me feel uncomfortable
    - The fears of a 5 don't resonate much with me; the ones for 8 do
    - The "soul child" description of a 5 doesn't resonate at all; whereas the one for the 8 does
    - Looking at this link and answering the two questions (active child, active parent), the conclusion is 8: http://pstypes.blogspot.com/search?u...&max-results=2
    - I asked somebody who knows me really well if they thought the 8 description was right; after chuckling several times while reading it; they said yes it does

    So, my conclusion is that those characteristics that may lead one to think I'm a 5 are in fact indicative of INTJ. There's a small part of me that thinks 5 is possible but generally, it seems pretty unlikely.
    So, that's what I said in the other thread. I'm less certain right now on 5 vs. 8.

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    Quote Originally Posted by highlander View Post
    What type is Highlander?
    The dangerous type...


    Link for Dangerous Type - The Cars

    [youtube] http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mmALL-V74Po [/youtube]

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    Quote Originally Posted by SuchIrony View Post
    I have no doubts Highlander is an INTJ but he doesn't strike me as a type 8. He just seems too calm and low key for that type. I've never seen him express anger or aggression. Perhaps he's an unusually healthy 8 or has a different demeanor in real life than online. Had I not seen his signature, I would have guessed 5w6 for the enneagram type.
    A excellent INTJ role model. I have a feeling Highlander's F/T are well integrated. There's sympathy unusual to an INTJ or any male for that matter. You have to be pretty damn healthy to come across the way he does if he's an INTJ. It's not typical at ALL!

    I don't see Eight - but I don't know Highlander very well.

    I see Five as a possibility. Very analytical. In his head. Eights aren't like that at all. Of course, this completely contradicts the test scores posted earlier.... Hmmm... Not easy.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Zarathustra View Post
    I mean, at least with regards to NTJs, doesn't this just sound like 8s are ENTJs and 5s are INTJs?

    When INTJs go more Te and start extroverting, this is akin to moving from 5 to 8...

    And when ENTJs go more Ni and start introverting, this is akin to moving from 8 to 5...

    A similar comparison could be drawn between ENTPs and INTPs (just not as strongly, probably).
    This summarizes the correlations.

    http://pstypes.blogspot.com/2009/07/...gram-type.html

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    But why would an e8 move to e5 be considered a disintegration unless it's viewed that introversion is a "bad" thing?

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    Eights under stress begin to act out the unhealthy characteristics of the Five. Eights tend to run on impulse, reacting, challenging, asserting themselves in the environment. At times, when they get in "over their heads" they sometimes go to Five. There's safety in thought. Eights believe that by becoming shrewder and more premeditated they can retain their power.They act more secretly and with more forethought rather than recklessly. They can strike without warning and hide from their enemies. When even more unhealthy, an Eight will retreat from others, get lost in projects, become emotionally detached and preoccupied like average Fives. The Eights contempt for human weakness is made worse by Five's intellectual arrogance.

    There's more as Eight becomes increasingly unhealthy.

    The above is paraphrased from Personality Types, Riso and Hudson, pp. 328 - 331.
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