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    Quote Originally Posted by Metaphor View Post
    I believe to self-actualise, you need to embrace and integrate both.
    That's my view on Fe and Fi.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jaguar View Post
    That's my view on Fe and Fi.
    Yes it is but these are your values. Whether they become or remain my values post value housekeeping, remains to be seen.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Metaphor View Post
    Nope. Not offended. Your honest opinion is appreciated. But I do disagree. It has to do with Fe.

    Don't get me wrong. I do help people and have done so on this site. But I do it on my own time and will and not in any Fe-based societally structured way.
    I've edited my response a little bit since my first post, so it might be helpful to give it one more quick glance (sorry, I do that a lot...).

    I understand what you mean, and I understand how the description of the healthy levels of 8s can seem very Fe.

    But it can also be very Fi, when Fi is directed towards actually caring about others and society.

    There is nothing about Fi that is inherently against helping others and society for altruistic reasons.

    I understand where you're coming from, feeling like its Fe being forced upon you.

    Trust me, I know exactly what you're referring to...

    But please trust me also that tertiary and inferior Fi can have a sort of knee-jerk reaction to what seems like what you're calling an "Fe-based societally structured way" being forced upon you.

    What you need to realize is that, with Fi as your inferior function, Fe is actually your most suppressed function of all, and as such, MBTI would predict exactly what you’re doing: having a knee-jerk reaction against anything that smells of Fe being forced upon you.

    I completely know where you’re coming from, cuz I am the same way (as we all know from my interactions here); but, from one TJ to another (which matters, because, as TJs, by definition, we tend to suppress Fe to a significant degree [into our last 7-8 functions]), I can assure you, you’re allowing your suppression of Fe to get to you and impede the message the healthier levels of the enneagram 8 is trying to send.

    I know this because the people who have the greatest problem with this are the ETJs (followed by the ITJs), and, on this whole bender, you’ve reminded me of a Chinese-born, highly successful, ExTJ female friend of mine.

    Were you born/raised in China, or the US? Where do you actually live now? I’ve never been quite sure (although it seems like the US)…

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    Z, refer to your rep from me. Don't really want to discuss this in the open. It's less about the processes themselves and more about value housekeeping. But the processes themselves can also be considered values. And anyways, I'm starting to lean towards tossing out function order.

    People who know me in real life call me a banana. Yellow on the outside, white on the inside.

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    Done.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Forever_Jung View Post
    The way you're presenting this, it seems to me like you are disagreeing, but the words themselves seem like they are agreeing with me.

    Clarification?

    Edit regarding your type correlation chart: Considering e9 is roughly correlated with a Si-style, I find it odd (but true) that IFP's are the most common 9 typing.
    I guess I mostly agree with you . The connections in the system though - the integration and disintegration stuff - the sequencing of these things which is a set order - I don't know. That's the part that seems contrived to me.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Metaphor View Post
    Yes it is but these are your values.
    No, they are not. Fe and Fi are Jungian mental processes. Maybe one day you can tell some of us what your issue is with society. You've brought it up so many times I have lost count. Just chanting, "Fe" throughout threads without explaining what is fueling your aggression, doesn't really serve a purpose. It's like watching someone shout, "cucumber" everywhere they go, without explaining why they're doing it. We used to have a member here who did the same thing with Fi. Every chance he got, he would start a thread to whine about Fi. Lol.

    I think if people just cut the pretense and came right out and said what is on their minds, silly phrases like this would be a thing of the past:

    "Oh, yeaaaaah?!!!! Don't YOU project your 6th function on my 7th function!!!!!"

    "Owwww you hurt my Fi!!!! Waaaaaaaaaaaaaaah."

    " Take your Fe and shove it, baby!!!!"


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    Quote Originally Posted by Jaguar View Post
    No, they are not. Fe and Fi are Jungian mental processes. Maybe one day you can tell some of us what your issue is with society. You've brought it up so many times I have lost count. Just chanting, "Fe" throughout threads without explaining what is fueling your aggression, doesn't really serve a purpose. We used to have a member here who did the same thing with Fi. Every chance he got, he would start a thread to whine about it. Lol.

    I think if people just cut the pretense and came right out and said what is on their minds, silly phrases like this would be a thing of the past:

    "Oh, yeaaaaah?!!!! Don't YOU project your 6th function on my 7th function!!!!!"

    "Owwww you hurt my Fi!!!! Waaaaaaaaaaaaaaah."

    " Take your Fe and shove it, baby!!!!"

    Refer to post #94 for my explanation. No doubt I do use the names of processes as crutches/nouns to describe different things. Most often it's in humour. But sometimes it's in seriousness. And I do disagree with you about the importance of Fe as a process. So, at present, Fe holds no value in my value database. Can't say it won't in the future. But you might want to also take a hard look at your own value database and see if it too, has unnecessary baggage in it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Metaphor View Post
    Refer to post #94 for my explanation. No doubt I do use the names of processes as crutches/nouns to describe different things. Most often it's in humour. But sometimes it's in seriousness. And I do disagree with you about the importance of Fe as a process. So, at present, Fe holds no value in my value database.
    Define Fe.

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